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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2007, 09:09:06 AM »

a case of chicken little crying wolf too often?  Huh?

Yup.  That's how it looks to me...

'reminds me of this:

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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2007, 09:31:19 AM »

the bear market guy on youtube says the US market will fall within 2 quarters...
This morning I was riding along the road on some kind of plowsheer and I looked at the horizon, there was a huge bank of clouds rolling in...I asked a guy when is it going to get here, he said in 2 days...so some kind of storm (human made) might occur on wednesday.

"Asceticism is a way to cut fuel consumption. Materialism is just the opposite." Justine Sane

Why is this such an endless debate...cannot we make a stand and say that there is no division between spirit, matter, energy, consciousness EXCEPT in the mind of man! Razz

"The only thing that can't be made an object is I-I, or the pure Witness or God." Ken Wilber (pundit/guru conversation March'06 What Is Enlightenment Mag.)

Now Ken says that famines don't occur in democrasies...and democrasy stems from at least stage five moral development. Since seventy percent of the world's population is not there, the single best thing you can do to end world famine is to meditate.

BUT if you go watch John Pilger's amazing youtube video..."The War On Democrasy" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=to6uNUTf8g4 you will see that the US is the single greatest threat to the establishment of democrasy and the end to famine in the third world. Mind you, you can bet that the instigators of US corruption are not meditators! Notice also that those on the evil side actually look distinctly evil on this video...you cannot hide mental and moral corruption from the camera.
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I have been blown away with the integrity of John Pilgers journalism.

I was watching The Ideas of Noam Chomsky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EksuA4IAQIk
and was surprised to find him making me hot, its his hyperrelaxedness combined with the arrogance of ultra-intelligence with zero malice and unctuousness.
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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2007, 11:05:56 PM »

here is the message from the Hopi elders:

"TO MY FELLOW SWIMMERS"

"We have been telling the people that this is the Eleventh Hour
Now you must go back and tell the people that this is the Hour
And there are things to be considered

Where are you living?
What are you doing?
What are your relationships?
Are you in the right relation?
Where is your water?
Know your garden.

It is time to speak your truth.
Create your community.
Be good to each other.
And do not look outside yourself for the leader.


There is a river flowing now very fast.
It is so great and swift that there are those who will be afraid.
They will try to hold onto the shore.
They will feel they are being torn apart and they will suffer greatly.
Know the river has its destination.

The elders say we must let go of the shore, and push off and into the river, keep our eyes open, and our head above the water.

See who is in there with you and Celebrate.

At this time in history, we are to take nothing personally.
Least of all ourselves.
For the moment that we do, our spiritual growth and journey comes to a halt.

The time of the lone wolf is over,
Gather yourselves!

Banish the word struggle from your attitude and your vocabulary.
All that you do now must be done in a sacred manner
And in celebration."

"WE ARE THE ONES WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR..."
Hopi Nation, Oraibi Arizona

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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2007, 10:02:26 PM »

If you have the time and patience, I can highly recommend this trilogy:

Countdown to 2012
Reflections on Kali Yuga, the Maya Endtime,
and the Western Narrative Spell

The Discovery of the Next World
Reflections Beyond the Maya Endtime

The Party of Xolotl
Magic and Initiation Among the Endtime Tribes

The author weaves together a lot of really interesting  and relevant motifs with scholarship, pragmatism, and imagination.
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2007, 10:27:00 AM »

There is talk with solar system alignment with the black hole in the center of the universe. By this they are really refering to the equatorial forces of the plane of the galaxy. There may be a slight increase in cosmic radiation in the ecliptic, but it is not like the solar system will collide with any extra space debris. And if anything "exposure" to the Great Mother at the center of the Galaxy will be even "less" than normal because the ecliptic contains the most amount of star material. We are probably fully in the major influence of the ecliptic plane already. As for polar flipping...that happens very slowly over thousands of years through the influence of changes in the suns field. My take is that storm weather will increase with avengence around that time, not because it is 2012, but because it is solar max, and global warming will amplify the already aggrevated weather of solar max.

"This week researchers announced that a storm is coming--the most intense solar maximum in fifty years. The prediction comes from a team led by Mausumi Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR). "The next sunspot cycle will be 30% to 50% stronger than the previous one," she says. If correct, the years ahead could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958."

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10mar_stormwarning.htm

www.spacetoday.org/SolSys/Sun/SunspotsTwinPeaks.html
It appears that we will probably get one big solar max in 2010, and then another smaller one in 2012, 16 months after the first. Be aware that the sun's magnetic field does flip during solar max...and that this flip may be associated with a sense of anxiety for us earthlings.

This means that producing a baby between 2010-2012 is not a good idea, as there is an increased likelihood of schizophrenia during very large solar max. If you simply must produce a baby at this time maximize anviral/antiradiation/antioxidant herb/raw-plant intake, and subsist largely on raw greens and seaweed/seafood.

All weather vulnerable areas of the globe should be preparing for hurricanes, storm surge and flooding...preparations against erosion and rockslide should be underway, ground cover established and beaches fortified.

Note too that Middle Eastern DU will be coming down more in the solar max storm weather

The 2012 phenomena presents us with another opportunity for self-reassessment, in the same way that a turn of the Century does. We are challenged to decide if we are willing to embrace change or not. We are challenged to decide if we are going to face into the future with love or fear. 2012 presents a threshold experience in our ability to wake up to deeper humanity, to directly address our maker and decide how we are to live honorably.

Exerpts from The Mystery of 2012
"Ego grows transparent and becomes illuminated by the divine mind that was hidden underneath. The Key to this prophecy is free will, for what we actually experience depends on our choices. Whether we cling in fear to the familiar illusion or open up to love and trust to the great mystery that seeks to transform and elevate us." John Major Jenkins

"But what really matters is how we respond to the present moment; wheather we are prepared to be fully alive at this time of change. Are we prepared to help life to awaken, or are we too frightened of what we might lose, too caught up in the shadowlands of our attachments and collective beliefs." Llewwllyn Vaughan Lee

"The maps no longer fit the territories. The only expected is the unexpected. Everything that was, isn't anymore and everything that isn't is coming to be. Ours is an era of quantum change, the most radical deconstruction and reconstruction the world has seen...We are guests at a wake for a way of being that has been ours for hundreds, even thousands of years...Our agenda is nothing less than the future. Our challenge is to cultivate hte vision and lay out the practical steps necessary to move through the opening times that follow upon the closing times." Jean Huston
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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2007, 07:52:44 AM »

The 2012 thing is really entertaining. Do y’all think that a lot of these folks caught a jones for fin de siecle hysteria ten years ago and can’t give it up. It is like they have a minute-by-minute prayer: “Please make it all different…please make it the way I think it should be…please stop the train wreck…please make it a big one…  I’ve read the trilogy and Jana’s post that follows and I’m so gratified that We—I assume We of the Pure Hearts and Clean Minds, not We, the implacably diabolical cynics—will all be marching through the golden gates of New Jerusalem…and in only four short years. The only problem I have is this nagging question: Who in hell is “We?”

“Whether we cling in fear to the familiar illusion or open up to love…”

"But what really matters is how we respond to the present moment…”

“…we are guests at a wake for a way of being that has been…”

So who is the We here? The author and his press agent? The author and his mother? The author and her strapping Filipino house boy? The authors and The Rest of You Guys? I hate to think it is the latter because that’s how The Rest of Us Guys are addressed by preachers and politicians when they are overflowing with this creepy, pretentious chumminess and need to force The Rest of Us Guys into an intimacy with their breathless visions of just squeaking past the next apocalypse.  I hope they aren’t offended if I ask them to just push their soap boxes down the street and scratch my name off their list of presumed confederates.  The usage strikes me as a thoughtless, overweening assumption that a relationship exists between the author/speaker and their putative audience that has more depth than just commonality of species. “We” should not enter the vocabulary until after “We’ve” penned an alias to their petition.

The other gratifying characteristic is that the We Organizers have yet to run out of Pending Events and Reasons to Repent or take stock or transform or Cowboy change your ways today…

Jesus is coming…look busy.
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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2007, 09:06:28 AM »

1835 days to go! beer. ....timewave henry
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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2007, 10:34:19 AM »

Shocked "IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT!!!!" 

 Undecided "Ugghh.  Not another one"


All the time I was growing up, I was anticipating/dreading the arrival of the fateful year of 1975.

The Jehovah's Witness petri-dish I was hatched in, had it that the end of the dish as I knew it would irrevocably occur in that year, 17 years into my veil of tears.

But the fateful year came and went, and my veil of tears didn't end until about four years later, when I married and left my dish behind - including all the WE's that were chosen to survive the transition into the new and improved dish. 

Only two little indians survived the Great Transition, and then there was one.

It was The End of the World as I Knew It.

Then there were the Prophesies and Visions of the eighties...of the inevitable nuclear holocaust, with a long nuclear winter to follow.  The WE in that scenario was the loose network of souls who had the Sight - the Visionary Understanding and connections to Spirit that enabled one to see What Is Really Going On.  (There was a God-Awful lot of capitalization at work in Those Days)

We purchased the regrettable guns, and stocked up with non-perishable foodstuffs.

But fortunately, our collective Will and Intention served to move us into a particular Quantum Reality, wherein the holocaust was averted, - or rather had never really been an issue at all!  And the End of the World was forestalled...at least till 2001.

Oops, gotta go.  To be continued...  Smiley
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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2007, 01:09:27 PM »

for the harmonic convergence (1987) and the 11:11 (1991) there was a bit of fringe hysteria. for 2012, i predict a stampede of stock brokers, trial lawyers,journalists and real estate agents Beats me..henry
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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2007, 02:28:11 PM »

for the harmonic convergence (1987) and the 11:11 (1991) there was a bit of fringe hysteria. for 2012, i predict a stampede of stock brokers, trial lawyers,journalists and real estate agents Beats me..henry
And don't forget the Chinese computer hackers!

If correct, the years ahead could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958."

This means that producing a baby between 2010-2012 is not a good idea, as there is an increased likelihood of schizophrenia during very large solar max.

I was born in 1958, which probably explains the following:


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Y2K barely made a blip on my radar.  Because I was computerworld saavy enough to see that the direst of predictions were patently overblown, and because I was aware of the huge effort going on in the financial and services sector to fix the underlying problem.  And because I was sick to death of dire prophesies…  Purge

In the next few years though, as I underwent some major psycho-spiritual upheavals, (often making me seriously question my sanity), a large theme throughout was that of The End of the World.

It was easy to attribute those pervasive and horrible visions and themes as psychic/spiritual residue from this (early)life, and others, but that always felt too easy to me.  And more than a little cop-outish and dishonest.  Yet the alternative?  No alternative was palatable, so one more thing to sequester to the sidelines of the Main Event – that of healing the rifts within.

Then November 11, 2001 arrived with a vengeance.  I was in the thick of my breakdown-through phases, and felt something very large tear apart, but had no idea what it was…and still don’t.  Not because of any good answers out there or in here, but more like because there are too many.

Then in the next few years, as my focus moved from the inner landscapes back to the outer again, and I began to unravel the goddamned tangles of secret histories – such as 911 truths, and psy-ops and the like, I felt my world ending again, and the very fabric of my reality shifted into something nearly indescribable now.  It was like reality was made of separate yet intimately related and interactive strands or filaments of planes.  Each with it’s own truth and logic.  Ad no solid ground anywhere.  No ultimate truth, yet a multitude of relative, yet undeniable truth systems.  A relativist’s nightmare I suppose…which no doubt explains my entry into KW’s integral wonderland…

Reality still feels this way to me.  Worldviews are more than merely passive perceptual filters for me, they seem to somehow be the molders of worlds upon worlds, all here and now, yet ultimately all one world.  And somehow…don’t ask me to explain…911 was the tearing point.  The End of the Real World, and the beginning of the Virtual Nightmare Realms.

2012?  Who the fuck knows?  In many worlds here and now, 2012 is extremely significant, marking yet another transition, and in others, is a joke.  And it’s all real and all a joke to me.

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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2007, 02:47:30 PM »

Michael D and friends

As far as I am concerned,  behind  these Doomsday/End of the World as We KNow It
scenarios there might  lurk a touch of  longing,  no, lusting, for CHAOS - and the liberation from norms in its wake.

The countdown for when the Earth will crack and we will flee our houses  (no washing dishes, tidying beds, supermarket shopping, couch-potatoing) for when we will lose our near and dear ones (no rendering accounts to dad or mum or anyone  about why we spent the night by the creek holding onto George the young gardener,  or to Elspeth with the tight T-shirts or never completed the degrees expected).    And, of course, who would think of asking us to meet overdue payments,  produce documents, i.d´s, qualifications (presumably destroyed by the world-wide lava flows,  tsunamis,  meteorites…) and on.

We, the few, could stand with sharpened  primeval instincts,  like Rachel Welch and her mates in ¨One Million Years B.C.¨, on the jutting rocks surveying the desolation  below.  We, the new Gods that must now re-colonize, resurrect,  the agonizing planet…




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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2007, 08:14:19 PM »

Since finding out about the potential form EMP weapons to chernobyl all the nuke power stations, and the Saddam Hussein Euro thing, and feeling how the whole of society is complicit in resource-war and genocide including me...I have been shock-sick, and I am hoping that this is the worst of the news, so I can start getting better. We have never been tested as we are being tested now as to the worth of our consciousness and heart. The only way we can navigate these waters and gain and retain our sanity, its to act the best we know how to somehow make a better world. The fact that I have never personally owned a car doesn't give me much comfort, for we are called to a much larger destiny than mere conservation and recycling.
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2007, 08:41:45 PM »

even if 2012 or whatever have you, is the end, it's not a finality, just the end of the cycle, or change in other words. a cycles completion isn't necessarily good or bad, just something different. if you're aware and awake those changes happen every day/moment, micro-cycles in the body, macro-cycles in the biosphere, meta-macro-cycles thru the eons of time. the key, i think, is to improvise thru the changes of life, creating new vibrations to ride and dance to...    bla bla   bla bla
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« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2007, 12:07:59 AM »

It is easier if you have just one person in the flesh on the same page as you. Boulder is still very much asleep, and the awake ones are behaving like scared rats. Perhaps peoples spines will start growing soon. Now that I have found out the larger picture, I can see history as a huge bulldozer coming down on us...you simply get out of the way. As Tsarion says, this is psychowars...psychic dictatorship. On the US side it appears we have amateurs and morons at play on the world chess board. The Arabs are getting smarter and banding together with China and Russia, they are all positioning to support and defend each other and try a little strategic exclusion on the bully in the playground.

Notice how they pulled a lot of FBI administrator/leader types into Washington, probably to build up the police state situation. They lost 170 men out of the FBI with that move, guys who didn't want to go.
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« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2007, 09:07:00 AM »

Yeah, I've seen some prophetic dates come and pass with hype unfulfilled. I expect 2012 to be like those, especially when I consider that the precise date of the transition from one age into another is rather arbitrary. 

I recently read Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and SteelandCollapse. I can't recommend them enough. I was impressed with the time spans involved and mechanics of civilization building. Processes take hundreds and thousands of years for societal development, and even longer for ecological developments. Collapse is usually quicker, but still may unfold through several generations.

I'm plenty uneasy about now and the near future. Our recent past is filled with atrocities and people haven't changed much.

I was recently browsing through the Zeitgeist transcription and references with the background of Diamond's work in my mind when I thought of Zodiacs in new light. I thought that zodiacs are one of our oldest and most sophisticated sacred symbols. Zodiacs preceded written language and were representations of oral traditions that encoded essential knowledge for humanity's long term success and survival as a species, knowledge accumulated through many generations. 
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