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[stilltraveler]

Here are some interesting articles - some of which I've read - and they connect up with a number of comments made here on HM and other "integral" sites.
Maybe 2007 and the future will turn out to be substantially different and not mostly the recycling of old patterns in new contexts. I'm rooting for substantially different.
Happy New Year.
http://www.edge.org/q2007/q07_index.html

[Michael]

WOW!!  What an excellent website Still!  Thanks so much for that! 

[Jana]

Wow that is a great site, I will spend some time on it tomorrow...it will help to balance the following...I was telling a guy today that Bushregime probably modelled itself on Hitler and the Nazi party...but I didn't know how close to the truth I was when I said that. Now after hours of video watching of Alex Jones I know.

Speaking of the Black Knights their pax americanan world domination campaign.
Even if say the Democrats get back into power, won't the neocons still have almost the same ability to undertake their schemes? And we still have two more years in which another 9/11 could be orchestrated...besides what is this massive level corruption actually doing to the heart and soul of the american people.


who knows where they are going to hit next, the other coast perhaps...San Francisco, LA, San Diego

Interview with Steven Jones on the technique use to demolish the twin towers.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2842384983834100001&q=alex+jones

Oh and this one will blow your mind...2.5 hours of terror and fun! First hour will keep you laughing your head off, then its blow after blow of incredible exposure.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=alex+jones


Precog knowledge of 9/11
 http://cafe.noeticnetworks.org/cgi-bin/dcf/dcboard.pl?az=show_thread&om=123&forum=Terrorist_Attack&omm=0&viewmode=threaded

[Nickeson]

Stillness,
This is a good site. I spent several hours with it a few weeks ago. It should be noted that it is the propaganda arm of "The Brights," that loose organization of brilliant materialists, the likes of which are Dennett and Dawkins. Mister Wilber, of course, is among those missing. So between The Brights and the Turquoise Integralites, the admonition is: "Trust everyone to be Universally Right, but 1) Never believe, 2) never Believe, 3) Never Believe anything they tell you." (Mullah Nasreddin)
Steven
p.s. I think the wise Mullah's warning should hold true for 9-11 conspiracy theories too. Across a span of 28 years I made my living primarily as an investigator, journalistic and private. Clients made it my business to examine such things and I never found enough truth in any that I investigated to make them worth 10 minutes of my time. Most often I found they were a projection of the theorists' negative shadows. They are usually the illusions of that type of person who is chronically terrified of God. Conspiracy theories should be noted, however, as a phenomenon, a peculiar constituent, of an overall situation; valuable in what they can tell one of the culture and the times.

[Jana]

That Alex Jones & crew are a frecking genius to wind all that stuff together like that....to see the full picture you have to watch those two videos plus "Terror Storm." The Fact is those towers were demolished, they did not come down due to fire, you can see that as a fact from listening to Steven Jones. It is obvious that Larry Silverstein had his towers pulled  and it had to be staged as a terrorist attack in order to get the 3.6 billion insurance. The entire thing was staged with the help of Taliban and Bin Laden so they could get their war in Iraq, the oil and start eating their way through the middle east. They willingly sacrificed 2752 people in the Towers themselves and  3000 Americans killed in the Iraq war. An estimated 655,000 Iraqis have died as a result of the 2003 US-led invasion, 30,000 of those civilians.

I think in the day of Franklin and Washington the Masons or at least these certain Masons had full integrity. But this maverick crowd are clearly insane for power itself. Interesting that Alister Crowley was head of the Thule Society, some one that spawned Hitler.
Anyway what arises is the question of what is a human life in times of absolute corruption...obviously you can let none of that darkness affect one negatively but use itt as a wakeup call to a deeper more profound contribution to humanity and the Globe. I think what I will do is not to bring up this absolute evil with the average person, but instead concentrate on empowerment of each individual and building the vision of a future civilization that cannot be prayed upon by political cancer. I will however point the strongest of the strong toward those outstanding videos.

[henry]

i'm optimistic about heartmind forum and planet earth  ..henry

[Daniel]

Marshall recommended this one

[Jana]

Looks like a good book, might get that, this subject is really catching my interest as the best thing that has ever happened to humanity...to get us off our asses. There is a huge parasite sitting upon the body of man, and what are each of us going to do about it?


?Species instinct?innate "knowing" of what sort of actions and attitudes to adopt/adapt in perpetuating a dynamic of natural happiness and prosperity as a human being. Where the intellect guides and informs rather than exclusively setting the course.

I've been re-reading Christian de Quincey's commentary on the work of Jean Liedloff (The Continuum Concept). Bouncing it off of McKenna's "Archaic Revival". And wondering about the idea of homo noeticus coming from a species that has yet to learn to use what it has to work with (beyond encultured learning) instead of aspiring toward transcendence of Nature's handiwork.? Kebert, Noetic Cafe

Species instinct...ok yes I have called that Universal Mind or cosmic consciousness. I have also termed it the Global Brain and the Muse also to try and convey the tangible sense of this expanded sensory-sentience that occurs with kundalini rising.

Ken was an inspired scientist and now he is a politician.
I love Ken for his humanity even if he has succumbed to his own Kencult. To a certain extent this is an unavoidable instinct of species preservation, in that he is so acute to the periles of the age that he has to do the personality cult thing now in order to build and spread the integral information for the greatest depth and the greatest span.


Go look at the Alex Jones google videos and you will see that not only is Ken our greatest hope as a networker and developer of high-conscious ideas, but that KW is a freaking pussycat of the highest order, and a POO Master at that!!!!


In comparing the possible outcomes of a Cult of Ken compared with a Cult of Schwarzenegger and the Neocons and you start to get a real respect for what Ken means to us in this day and age...as we still hang on the cusp of survival or total destruction.
http://gov.ca.gov/

Anyone who wants Schwarzenegger for President needs a brain transplant.

[Michael]

Species instinct...ok yes I have called that Universal Mind or cosmic consciousness. I have also termed it the Global Brain and the Muse also to try and convey the tangible sense of this expanded sensory-sentience that occurs with kundalini rising.

Speaking of the Global Brain, I?ve been doing a lot of cyber-surfing today, with the Edge World Question Center as the starting point and backdrop, and musing on a phrase that keeps coming to mind, ?the MEME wars?.  (not vMeme).  Such animosity of the mind these days.  So much attention given to cutthroat competition in the ideological marketplace?bad days in the noosphere...

I was very sorry to see the absence of such voices as Howard Bloom?s and others of the ?evolutionary cooperation? schools of thought.  Not competitive enough I suppose.
http://www.howardbloom.net

Ken was an inspired scientist and now he is a politician.
I love Ken for his humanity even if he has succumbed to his own Kencult. To a certain extent this is an unavoidable instinct of species preservation, in that he is so acute to the perils of the age that he has to do the personality cult thing now in order to build and spread the integral information for the greatest depth and the greatest span.

I happened to be perusing "Norman Einstein": The Dis-Integration of Ken Wilber by Geoffrey Falk
http://www.normaneinsteinbook.com

And following links around and about, just stumbled on some racy and troubling ?private? writings by KW to and about Adi Da?s community and cultism in general:

KW: This problem has today reached a critical point with the events of Jonestown and the growth of so many apparently strange cults. The world at large now looks with even more terrified suspicion upon any movement that appears "cultic" ? that is, any group, large or small, centered around a "heroic" or "charismatic" leader.

"Cult" is the new anathema; cult is the new terror. But here again we face the same dilemma: All truthful and beneficial causes are initially "cultic," but not all cults are either truthful or beneficial. Examine any major historical phenomenon, and you will find it is cultic: headed by a Hero surrounded by devotees. This is not necessarily bad. How could the American Revolution have survived Valley Forge without the hero-figure of George Washington and his cultic followers? Where would modern psychiatry be without Freud and his slavishly cultic disciples? Or on the religious side: Christ and his cult of disciples, Buddha and his cult of monks, Krishna and his cult of devotees. Could we seriously wish that none of those cults ever existed?

Politics is cultic; religion is cultic; philosophy is cultic; even science is cultic ? and cults, in the broadest sense, simply represent groups of those who acknowledge and try to follow in the steps of the Heroes of a particular field of endeavor. But, as I said ? and it is worth repeating one last time ? while all truth is initially cultic, not all cults are truthful. We in the West have a long list of cults and their Heroes that we generally think are harmful: Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, and, closer to home, many of the new "cultic religions" that enslave rather than enlighten. But please notice: What makes these movements deplorable is not the fact that they are "cults" nor the fact that they have "heroes," but the fact that they are based on ideas or principles that reasonable men and women would eventually agree are erroneous or immoral or even heinous. But whatever you think about moral or immoral heroes, can you start to see how extremely tricky is the problem of followers, of truth, of heroes, of cults?

http://www.adidawilber.com/on_heroes_and_cults/index.html

I sure hope the future of humanity doesn?t need cult leaders like the Governator or KennyBaby in order to survive?and I sure hope I never have to choose one or the other?if KW is a great networker, then I certainly don?t understand the meaning of distributed intelligence?

?all truth is initially cultic? pullleeeezzz
 

[Jana]

You really need to get a puke emoticon Michael.
I am seeing less and less that is actually spiritual in the socalled spiritual world and more and more of what is ignorant about it. I said today to someone I think spirituality might be the one area of human endeavor that we are the most ignorant of, which is funny because it is about consciousness. But this paradox is related to the phenomena that the eye cannot see itself!
You know I am tending to agree that all human community in general is cultic, from famlies right up to countries, and international organizations. I think human community is synonomous with cult behavior and this is this memewars phenomena in effect.
It is caused by the arrested development of humans into the fearfull conditioned personality protecting a feeble reptilian perception-perspective. The cult is old mammalian brain wiring running amuck and posing as genuine humans. Human community might indeed always be cultic. So we should investigate what that is and why...there are some good videos on Google...one by an editor of Omni mag.

[jimtzu]

thanks for the links Michael, the E-book looks worth reading.

i think part of the problem is the idea of "owning" their interpretation, version of what ever sliver of truth that they've "discovered" and the all too willingness to sell it to everyone to keep whatever organization they've built around themselves afloat. truth shouldn't be a buisiness or a franchise, it should spread and share (meme?) naturally thru the culture. when one depends on marketing a truth (and expect to get rich or live well) then compromises will be made, cults will arise.

[stilltraveler]

Michael, good stuff.

May I for the moment present some mitigating, perhaps over-generous acknowledgement of KW around his riff to AD? OK. First, yes, "truth" is too big and precious a word for me. I think he goes awry there. I am glad that he didn't capitalize the "T". If he had, it would pile the absurdity higher. If I substitute the word "reality", particularly meaning human, social reality (which may be implicit in my sense of the word "reality") then I see a lot to what he is saying. Pretty much all human movements, large and small, do seem to have something to do with "culture", shared human experience.

But, yes, he does say truth - perhaps in his frequently casual, maybe sloppy way, and therefore suspect, way. And maybe when he writes stuff like this, he really does mistake truth and Truth for what is just one slice from the incomprehensibly great prism.

What do you think? Am I giving him too much wiggle room on this? 

[Nickeson]

Jana wrote:

Anyone who wants Schwarzenegger for President needs a brain transplant.

and a junior high civics lesson into the Constitution's provisions barring non-natural citizens from the presidency, plus a plan to wait a long time while that provision is amended as per the following:

Article V of the Constitution provides two processes by which amendments can be proposed and approved
1.   Congress proposes amendments.
Both houses of Congress approve by two-thirds votes a resolution calling for the amendment. The resolution does not require the president's signature. To become effective, the proposed amendment must then be "ratified" or approved by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states. Congress typically places a time limit of seven years for ratification by the states.
2.   The states propose amendments.
The legislatures of two-thirds of the states vote to call for a convention at which constitutional amendments can be proposed. Amendments proposed by the convention would again require ratification by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states.

(All twenty-seven amendments, including the Bill of Rights have been added through the first method. The Constitution has never been amended using the second process. While over 10,000 have been proposed, only seventeen amendments to the Constitution have been adopted since final ratification of the Bill of Rights in 1791.)

SN

[Jana]

Apparently Arnold and his wife have been strenuously trying to influence people into changing the constitution. Lets hope they don't succeed.

[Jana]

Our brains are wired for pleasure (endorphins) as a reward for social engagement...this is the basis of all human relationship. Of course this basic relationship-endorphin phenomena has endless permutations and perversions...some of us get pleasure at having this natural chemical response thawted...eg: killers, abusers and neocons. This is also the basis of tribal human sacrifice...the perversion of the natural chemical cascade from social engagement; in this case the chemical charge is achieved via ostracization, abuse or killing the excluded individual. This tribal exclusion drive for the charge (adrenaline, dopamine and endorphins) derived from "excluding" other, and seeing other as "evil" in order to do so is the basis of war and cultural disharmony. This chemical elixir is why the Masons use staged human sacrifice in their ritual ceremonies.

In order to get the American people to act like a band of thugs, the neocons have to scare them repeatedly into a braindamaged state of animal-self-preservation...so that they stop seeking the chemical rewards of "togetherness" and instead seek the rewards of "separation and war." Then the happenstance of relationship, society and culture result from this tuning of our fundamental wiring systems.

Sovereignty and the mystic life occurs after we have emerged from chemical dependency on fitting in and belonging to the pack. Until that point, which is usually a cathartic and traumatic passage, we are simply "not our own person." Until we have built our Cosmic umblical we are subject to the dictates and dictatorship of external human forces.