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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2007, 04:55:01 AM »

steven, why do think Bush and co. invaded Iraq?   Beats me

I think the invasion came about because The Iraq Co. looked like such a good business opportunity...it is sort of a key property who's potential for  generating diversified wealth not only in the region but around the world was being poorly handled by the previous management. Russia Inc. had its eye on it and had already invested in Iraq Co.'s development but "Allied Business" (a limited partnership) thought that it could reorganize the management of the property with greater efficiency and speed than the competition and thereby enhance their market standing immeasurably. Russia Inc.'s loss would be Allied Business's gain. Plus the CEO of Allied had a personal grudge against his counterpart in the old management at Iraq, and Allied Business was tired of trying to keep The Iraq Co. from  staging a takeover of a family owned business called Kuwait and Sons that Allied had set up out of almost nothing 60-70 years ago. Actually, Allied had arranged for the establishment of The Iraq Co at about the same time and had spun it off on its own to supposedly keep pace with the development and profitability of the other properties in the region...but it had misguided management that was beginning to undermine the position of the quasi-parent company. So what can a quasi-parent do???

It was business as usual. Was it evil? Not unless the human race and all the other living species on this earth are evil. If securing survival and increasing opportunities for a "better" life through expanding one's sphere of influence is evil then it was evil and so we all are.

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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2007, 09:45:14 AM »

i don't know if there are "powers that be", but there certainly are people who want to be those powers.  i don't think they can or will succeed because their unenlightened self interested actions are caught up in  2 dimensional, linear thinking in a  multi-dimensional, cycular world. they will fail but that doesn't stop them from making things a little messier.


so where is this game of Risk-opoly (monopoly + risk, a combination of the poular domination board games ) headed, if anywhere?  is this how it's always been? is this how how things need to proceed in the future?  are there other ways of playing the game of Life that will work and havn't been tried yet?

just some questions......

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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2007, 10:48:50 AM »

I think humans are evil, but not any other species. This is so because humans have a "choice" between good and evil. The only reason the air is clearing between US/Iran is because the intelligence agencies are fed up with being shat on by this administration, and they probably got together with some military folks and started a program to try and stop Cheney-Bush from going into Iran...It was the airforce that stopped the stealing of the Mino-Barksdale warheads.
Now that Iran and others to follow are changing over to the Euro, you can expect the propaganda machine to spew out all kinds of miss information about the danger of Iran and Syria...see Bush trying to bully Syria already. The US already nuked them once is Sept. probably as a warning to capitulate their will to the US.

"Remember, every demand begets opposition. Every taking of possession, monopolization, expropriation is a form of dictatorship which culminates in revolution. The surest way to lose someone is to try and secure them with iron and fire." Maria Szepes, The Magic of Everyday Life.
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2007, 10:52:29 AM »

their unenlightened self interested actions are caught up in  2 dimensional, linear thinking in a  multi-dimensional, cycular world.

Another problem that "they" and others--even ourselves--face is the attempt to set up structures in a world that has always too quickly erroded away the structures that are built on past assumptions. It is happening faster now than in Tamerlane's time for example. For centuries philosophies and strategies based on structures were able to last at least for a time. But in these times if one cannot see the world dissolving and reshaping itself daily, hourly, then one is going to be left sadly behind.
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2007, 12:15:47 PM »

From the Mayor of Salt Lake City
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007

MAYOR OF SALT LAKE CITY TO
BUSH, CONGRESS AND MEDIA
"WE WON'T TAKE IT ANYMORE"
Address by Mayor Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson

Today, as we come together once again in this great
city, we raise our voices in unison to say to
President Bush, to Vice President Cheney, to other
members of the Bush Administration (past and
present), to a majority of Congress, including Utah's
entire congressional delegation, and to much of the
mainstream media: "You have failed us miserably
and we won't take it anymore."

While we had every reason to expect far more of
you, you have been pompous, greedy, cruel, and
incompetent as you have led this great nation to a
moral, military, and national security abyss."
"You have breached trust with the American people
in the most egregious ways. You have utterly failed
in the performance of your jobs. You have
undermined our Constitution, permitted the violation
of the most fundamental treaty obligations, and
betrayed the rule of law.

You have engaged in, or permitted, heinous human
rights abuses of the sort never before countenanced
in our nation's history as a matter of official policy.
You have sent American men and women to kill and
be killed on the basis of lies, on the basis of shifting
justifications, without competent leadership, and
without even a coherent plan for this monumental
blunder.

 We are here to tell you: We won't take it anymore! You have acted in direct contravention of values that we, as Americans who love our country, hold dear. You have deceived us in the most cynical,  outrageous ways. You have undermined, or allowed the undermining of, our constitutional system of checks and balances among the three presumed co-equal branches of government. You have helped lead our nation to the brink of fascism, of a dictatorship contemptuous of our nation's treaty obligations, federal statutory law, our Constitution, and the rule of  law.

 Because of you, and because of your jingoistic false 'patriotism,' our world is far more dangerous, our nation is far more despised, and the threat of terrorism is far greater than ever before. It has been absolutely astounding how you have committed the most horrendous acts, causing such needless tragedy in the lives of millions of people, yet you wear your so-called religion on your sleeves, asserting your God-is-on-my-side nonsense when what you have done flies in the face of any religious or humanitarian tradition. Your hypocrisy is mind-boggling - and disgraceful. What part of "Thou shalt not kill" do you not understand? What part of the "Golden rule" do you not understand? What part of "be honest," "be responsible," and "be accountable" don't you understand? What part of "Blessed are the peacekeepers" do you not understand?

Because of you, hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, many thousands of people have suffered horrendous lifetime injuries, and millions have been run off from their homes. For the sake of our nation, for the sake of our children, and for the sake of our brothers and sisters around the world, we are morally compelled to say, as loudly as we can, "We won't take it anymore!" As United States agents kidnap, disappear, and torture human beings around the world, you justify, you deceive, and you cover up. We find what you have done to men, women and children, and  to the good name and reputation of the United States, so appalling, so unconscionable, and so outrageous as to compel us to call upon you to step aside and allow other men and women who are competent, true to our nation's values, and with high moral principles to stand in your places for the good of our nation, for the good of our children, and for the good of our world.

 In the case of the President and Vice President, this means impeachment and removal from office, without any further delay from a complacent, complicit Congress, the Democratic majority of which cares more about political gain in 2008 than it does about the vindication of our Constitution, the rule of law, and democratic accountability. It means the election of people as President and Vice President who, unlike most of the presidential candidates from both major parties, have not aided and abetted in the perpetration of the illegal, tragic, devastating invasion and occupation of Iraq. And it means the election of people as President and Vice President who will commit to return our nation to the moral and strategic imperative of refraining from torturing human beings.

In the case of the majority of Congress, it means electing people who are diligent enough to learn the facts, including reading available National Intelligence Estimates,  before voting to go to war. It means electing to Congress men and women who will jealously guard  Congress's sole prerogative to declare war. It means electing to Congress men and women who will not submit like vapid lap dogs to presidential requests for blank checks to engage in so-called preemptive wars, for legislation permitting warrant-less wiretapping of communications involving US citizens, and for dangerous, irresponsible, saber-rattling legislation like the recent Kyl- Lieberman amendment.

 We must avoid the trap of focusing the blame solely upon President Bush and Vice-President Cheney. This is not just about a few people who have wronged our country - and the world. They were enabled by members of both parties in Congress, they were enabled by the pathetic mainstream news media, and, ultimately, they have been enabled by the American people--40% of whom are so ill-informed they still think Iraq was behind the 9/11 attacks a people who know and care more about baseball statistics and which drunken starlets are not wearing underwear than they know and care about the atrocities being committed every single day in our name by a government for which we need to take responsibility.

 As loyal Americans, without regard to political partisanship as veterans, as teachers, as religious leaders, as working men and women, as students, as professionals, as businesspeople, as public servants, as retirees, as people of all ages, races, ethnic origins, sexual orientations, and faiths we are here to say to the Bush administration, to the majority of Congress, and to the mainstream media: "You have violated your solemn responsibilities. You have undermined our democracy, spat upon our Constitution, and engaged in outrageous, despicable acts. You have brought our nation to a point of immorality, inhumanity, and illegality of immense,  tragic, unprecedented proportions." But we will live up to our responsibilities as citizens, as brothers and sisters of those who have suffered as a result of  the imperial bullying of the United States government, and as moral actors who must take a stand: And we will, and must, mean it when we say 'We won't take it anymore.' If we want principled, courageous elected officials, we need to be principled, courageous, and tenacious ourselves. History has demonstrated that our elected officials are not the leaders the leadership has to come from us. If we don't insist, if we don't persist, then we are  not living up to our  responsibilities as citizens in a democracy and our  responsibilities as moral human beings. If we remain silent, we signal to Congress and the Bush administration and to candidates running for office and to the world that we support the status quo.

Silence is complicity. Only by standing up for what's
right and never letting down can we say we are doing
our part. Our government, on the basis of a campaign
we now know was entirely fraudulent, attacked and
militarily occupied a nation that posed no danger to
the United States. Our government, acting in our
name, has caused immense, unjustified death and
destruction. It all started five years ago, yet where
have we, the American people, been? At this point,
we are responsible. We get together once in a while
at demonstrations and complain about Bush and
Cheney, about Congress, and about the pathetic
news media. We point fingers and yell a lot. Then
most people politely go away until another
demonstration a few months later.

How many people can honestly say they have spent as
much time learning about and opposing the outrages
of the Bush administration as they have spent watching
sports or mindless television programs during the past
five years? Escapist, time-sapping sports and insipid
entertainment have indeed become the opiate of the
masses. Why is this country so sound-asleep? Why do
we abide what is happening to our nation, to our
Constitution, to the cause of peace and international
law and order? Why are we not doing all in our power
to put an end to this madness? We should be in the
streets regularly and students should be raising hell on
our campuses. We should be making it clear in every
way possible that apologies or convoluted,
disingenuous explanations just don't cut it when
presidential candidates and so many others voted to
authorize George Bush and his neo-con buddies to
send American men and women to attack and occupy
Iraq.

Let's awaken, and wake up the country by committing
here and now to do all each of us can to take our
nation back. Let them hear us across the country, as we
ask others to join us: "We won't take it anymore!" I
implore you: Draw a line. Figure out exactly where
your own moral breaking point is. How much will you
put up with before you say "No more" and mean it?

I have drawn my line as a matter of simple personal
morality: I cannot, and will not, support any candidate
who has voted to fund the atrocities in Iraq. I cannot,
and will not, support any candidate who will not
commit to remove all US troops, as soon as possible,
from Iraq. I cannot, and will not, support any candidate
who has supported legislation that takes us one step
closer to attacking Iran. I cannot, and will not, support
any candidate who has not fought to stop the kidnapping,
disappearances, and torture being carried on in our name.

If we expect our nation's elected officials to take
us seriously, let us send a powerful message they
cannot misunderstand. Let them know we really
do have our moral breaking point. Let them know
we have drawn a bright line. Let them know they
cannot take our support for granted that, regardless
of their party and regardless of other political
considerations, they will not have our support if
they cannot provide, and have not provided,
principled leadership.

The people of this nation may have been far too
quiet for five years, but let us pledge that we
won't let it go on one more day that we will do all
we can to put an end to the illegalities, the moral
degradation, and the disintegration of our nation's
reputation in the world.

Let us be unified in drawing the line in declaring
that we do have a moral breaking point. Let us
insist, together, in supporting our troops and in
gratitude for the freedoms for which our veterans
gave so much that we bring our troops home
from Iraq, that we return our government to a
constitutional democracy, and that we commit to
honoring the fundamental principles of human
rights.

In defense of our country, in defense of our
Constitution, in defense of our shared values as
Americans and as moral human beings we declare
today that we will fight in every way possible to
stop the insanity, stop the continued military
occupation of Iraq, and stop the moral depravity
reflected by the kidnapping, disappearing, and
torture of people around the world.
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2007, 02:06:19 PM »

Good video!:

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