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« on: February 04, 2009, 11:38:34 AM »


an interesting talk from daniel seigel, author of the book  The Developing Mind: Toward a Neurobiology of Interpersonal Experience


http://jimtzu.fileave.com/teleseminar_w177__siegel_d_vieten_c_2009-01-14__01.mp3
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2009, 01:04:12 PM »

Very optimistic, thanks.

If we focus on cultivating high energy, Flow and removing occlusion to the light and that which is not working for us, then wants and needs are automatically taken care of. We are always free to choose. Good-will, that is our personal genius for awakening, involves doing that which produces the most love, freedom and vitality, and furthers the reach of beneficent consciousness. We cannot heal the past because the past is already gone. So if we endlessly regurgitate, regret and mull over our past, we continue the sickness into the present ad infinitum. The way to redeem the past is to be willing to authentically drop it by raising ones frequency, energy and aliveness in the present. As we come more fully into the present we heal the wounds and deficiencies of the past through the vibration of infinite love and gratitude, which dissolves all miasma. If we refuse to let go by constantly delving into the injustices and reasons to be angry and frustrated we remain sick, enfeebled and immature. Development and evolution becomes truncated, lying latent within the hardened shell fossil indignation. Going straight for the goal of unity consciousness and unlimited bliss, allows for all to be forgiven and healed regardless of the personal objections and fixations of our egoic armor. Thus by going for the gold, the lead is taken care of spontaneously, as the higher energy of top down influence frees us from our self created prison.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2009, 01:20:50 PM »

thanks also, kind rev. J(s)... i would like to hear more about dr. mD's (quiet michael) involvement with SIA. Steve Dinan has affiliation with esalen center for theory and research (ions and esalen have strong ties). Is the wisdom media piece of SIA the same that was absorbed by Gaia? expiring minds want to know wave...henry
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2009, 02:03:44 PM »

thanks also, kind rev. J(s)... i would like to hear more about dr. mD's (quiet michael) involvement with SIA. Steve Dinan has affiliation with esalen center for theory and research (ions and esalen have strong ties). Is the wisdom media piece of SIA the same that was absorbed by Gaia? expiring minds want to know wave...henry

Hey Henry,

I'd be happy to fill your expiring mind in on my involvement with SIA.

I've been involved with SIA since 2005, and have known Stephen Dinan since 1999.  He asked me to help develop and administer SIA in 2005, and I've been working about 20-30 hours per weeks ever since. 

I do all the day-to-day stuff regarding handling teleseminar graphics, pages and media, and sorts of new webpages, interlinkages  etc.  I don't do much writing at all, but rather concentrate on the technical side of things.  I'm always on call to handle hour-to-hour things that come up, and I suppose that's why they like me.   Grin

I've also done a lot of spinnoff work in the last few years...such as new websites, and various collaborations on all manner of things.  Here's two major spinnoffs that I was instrumental with:

http://oneminuteshift.com
http://ionsconference.org

Things are in a kind of upheaval at IONS lately though, a lot of admin changes and such, and the future of SIA is in question, so I'm having to branch out more and more and diversify.  For that reason I've begun work on my own website-promoting website...  Huh?

Thanks for the inquiry, and thanks for posting these Jim...I don't listen to them much anymore myself, preferring to keep my listening leisure separate from my work, but there is the occasional exception that just MUST be heard...

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I don't know what Gaia Wisdom Media is, so I suppose the answer is most likely no.  What is Gaia exactly Henry?

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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2009, 02:39:17 PM »

thanks mD, please keep us posted. i withdraw my query on the gaia/wisdom media thingy bow..henry
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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2009, 10:11:05 AM »

Schizophrenia may be a breakdown in the balance of Janus…a fuzzing of the boundary between internal and external realities. Regions of the brain associated with self-reflection and autobiographical memories that comprise the subjective narrative of Self-concept or self identity includes the medial prefrontal cortex and the posterior cingulate cortex. A new MIT and Harvard brain imaging study has found that schizophrenia involves an excess of connectivity between these so-called default brain regions, which are involved in self-reflection or the default monkey mind. “People normally suppress this default system when they perform challenging tasks, but we found that patients with schizophrenia don’t do this,” said John D. Gabrieli.

In the schizophrenia patients, the hyperactive and hyperconnection of these brain regions means the default system was not suppressed during the need to perform difficult tasks. The hyperactive subjectivity system could also help to explain hallucinations and paranoia by making neutral external stimuli seem inappropriately self-relevant, producing a lack of objectivity of outside events. The universe in this sense is All about us. Finding what it means to enter divine reciprocity and not simply succumb to schizophrenia is the fine line we are now walking as a species in our efforts to emerge from the restrictive confines of the ego.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090120145316.htm
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2009, 10:25:08 AM »

The ineffable intelligence of being human goes much deeper than our accumulated knowledge, that is the "acquired intellect," we experience in our own lifetime. We draw from a reservoir of consciousness and experience that goes back to the beginnings of life on this planet. As we remain faithful to nature, she remains faithful to us…allowing us clear sight into the well of deep knowledge. This concept is most profoundly expressed in the following quote by the master of divining the deep.

"Everything is corpuscular, even energy and light waves. Even matter is inert energy. This also applies to blood, which is a materialized power flow that carries energy from past generations through present to future generations. This flow is not broken with the person's death, but is carried further to his successors. However, this energy can be degenerated, for example, by negative technology, so that the thoughts and outlook, which have accumulated within a person's being over thousands of years, is lost. It is possible for the person who has the advantage of this gift of inheritance to summon up from his blood all this reservoir of knowledge." Viktor Schauberger
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2009, 11:13:41 AM »

good quote!

the collective unconsciousness (leading to Consciousness) manifests itself in little points that we call individuality.  only the soma of ego allows these point to feel that they are seperate and "all that there is". 
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2009, 08:40:31 PM »

Shit I feel great!!! I am going to meet one of the coolest young guys in the world soon.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIljYErMte0  —Alien Scientist on 2012
www.Extropedia.org

This book I am writing is the most mind-fucky book ever created it is sooo integrated. beer

If cellular memory, the capacity for cosmic intelligence, is conveyed through the cells from generation to generation…this also means that we on some level carry forth the trauma and fear of death and the impact of various forms of cultural insanities. Enlightenment therefore must entail a form of removing stress, contraction, numbing and defense from the cells. As humanity becomes more proficient at this process we will overcome our inner violence to build the Utopia, the Mystic Civilization, the Nirvana that our cells long for with all their will. There can be no greater endeavor than this, for humane human survival in all its aspects relies on releasing the damage we have inflicted on ourselves over the course of billions of years. Then we can live in peace and harmony and BE the benign God we have all wished for. Now this is response-ability!
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2009, 09:59:50 PM »

nice vid...  and a cool site.. i'll be checking it out.  thanks   Handshake
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2009, 09:39:15 AM »

I don't think anyone has added anything substantive to what Skinner has done in this area. The mind is a constellation of neural habits. The brain is a sultan in a warm bath dealing drugs back and forth with the rest of the body. Nirvana is when he sips his chamomile (serotonin) and hell is when he's irritated by piss and vinegar, i.e. Sapolsky's 'stress chemicals'

No one seems to want to admit that the discovery of the endocrine system confirms the old theory of bodily 'humors',  but it sure seems similar to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humorism
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2009, 03:17:48 PM »

congratulations on the new young hottie friend and book project Jana beer. i always thought george clooney was a bit creaky for you nope... beware of a Pavlovian response blush...henry
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2009, 08:00:16 PM »

Nono way too young for me...I mean cocreator type friend celeb. that packs enough brain power to keep me interested for more than 5 minutes. I have a Schauberger agenda with him.

I had the experience lately where the notion of having sex was worse than death for me as I am clinging so fiercely to my messiah role...pushing a great deal of consciousness. Sex is fine for men, but for women creators it fucks with their brain chemistry and all they end up creating is babies.

So I am getting more into the notion of creative partnerships/initiations/conversations within the Global Village rather than personal sexual relationship between man and women...since the world is already over-populated we do not need more sex and babies, we need more creative cooperation, more of our heat, energy and illumination, more of our lucidity and focus going into our Muse work. Sex and the man/woman thing just gets in the road of progress.
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2009, 10:43:05 AM »

Hey Michael are you connected with this guy Greg, he is a RAM fan.


Telophilia - http://people.tribe.net/defalt/blog/2fbb1af4-9a21-4880-bc86-846d7bdfb79c
   Tue, June 10, 2008 - 10:50 AM
1. "Telophilia however is one step beyond that being an empathetic, synergistic relationship of all levels, including soul. These soul-relationships may not include sex but because they amplify kundalini they can be more energetically and intensely intimate and transformative than sexual relationships...

In certain relationships, the level of profound close goodness is so great that any thing that gets in the way of that that is not pure, clear connection will feel incredibly bad to the degree that I will have to amend it or feel almost sick. My partner in this will feel it too. Our inclination is to exit the relationship, or withdraw, or become clingy, but none of those actions work except to cause further pain. The ONLY way out is THROUGH. ... it is spiritually imperative that what has arisen that causes pain is dealt with. Each of us has to take extreme responsibility for our own feelings, and be brutally honest, completely open and non-defensive and able to listen in a space created purposely for the healing."...

It's possible to heal to some degree even if the other person takes no responsibility for their actions or feelings, and wouldn't recognize brutal self-honesty or honesty with the other if it flogged them. It seems to be a partial healing, and in this case exiting the relationship seems to be necessary. Remaining in a relationship where one is compelled to grow and the other chooses to deny is self-destructive - because there is no way through without true communication or interaction. Instead, the "active" partner will feel increasingly isolated, confused, and misunderstood.

Instead of playing in the energy field of mutuality, it becomes yet another exercise in self-absorption. The harder the active partner tries to make sense of the relationship, the deeper they enmesh themselves in their own mind and emotions. At this point, the mismatch in willingness and experience causes the pain. Since we cannot force someone to face us - let alone his or her Self - the only way to actually remove the pain is to let the relationship go.

The danger here is that the active partner will fall into cynicism, or like Diogenes wander the world looking for "one honest man". All that is required, actually, is to recognize that the passive partner has been a catalyst,and by their own choice has refused to engage in the process. If the future of humanity - and by extension, the future of individual humans - is dependent on communication, a relationship of this type is an evolutionary dead end. And while we may mourn the passing of the dodo, it's still extinct.

This leads to other questions - is love a casualty in this? What is the active ex-partner to do? (There are no questions about what the passive ex-partner is to do - because typically they will continue to do nothing real. The odds are they aren't reading this anyway.)

Love is not a casualty. The capacity for love has increased, albeit in a lopsided way. Balancing that is what the active ex-partner will probably engage in. There will be a tendency to deny, reframe, or forget the experience. While it would be preferable to simply accept the disappointment, this can be difficult when the potential was so clear to the active partner.


2 . Following is an outline of the stages of soul relationship but to a certain extent all stages happen at once to varying degrees as well.

1. MEETING
Recognition, initiation, surges of energy in the head and solar plexus, enlivening of the genitals. Enlarging of ones field in relation to the other, heightening of alertness and energy level. Irresistible magnetic pull, constancy of attention and soul urge to be in each others presence.

Greg's NOTE: This is a prime opportunity for denial to rear it's head. While one may pass through fear at this point, refusing to face the reality kills the potential.

2. QUICKENING
Spiritual acceleration, extreme heart opening, purging, purifying, nausea, awe, hope. Clearing, tidying up loose ends, nest building, talking to oneself, physical exercise to absorb tension. Alternating periods of hyperactivity (sympathetic) with heart expanding lethargy (parasympathetic).

Greg's NOTE: Dance. Dance. Dance. Get unconscious. Repeat. Too much repetition will kill the process.

3. RUBBERBANDING
Alternating surrender with periods of sensual indulgence as the ego tries to use and/or suppress the charge. Boundary testing, uncertainty, exploration and resolution of differences. Blowing off the cocoon through compression and expansion.

Greg's NOTE: to compress, descend into the watery depths and increase the emotional pressure. To expand, ascend into the rarefied atmosphere. Watch out for rapture of the deep and oxygen deprivation. The uncertainty is difficult - but certainty here is often an illusion. One can be certain, however, that denial from stage 1 will manifest here and stunt the growth. It's not a cause for uncertainty - it's time to let go.

4. TOLERANCE
Bodymind gains faith, becomes stronger quieter and more peaceful. Learns to protect and allow the intense opening energy cycles of soul-merger. Rewiring to handle the amplified energy and kinesthetic senses.

Greg's NOTE: a particularly challenging stage. Trust your bodymind - it will handle the rewiring, you don't need to direct it.

5. SURRENDER
Attraction to spiritual intimacy as soul increasingly incarnates with the opening of the bodymind. There is a letting go of morbid thoughts and behaviors as trust develops. Eros progressively triumphs over Thanatos.

Greg's NOTE: this is a key stage, and delicate. It will loop back to stages 2 or 3 unless both people are engaged. Continued loopback is a sign that either one or both of the partners are avoiding the process.

6. TRANSPARENCY
Proactive- YES AND Green-lighting Spirit. With conscious joint metamorphic alchemy there is a movement from deprivation states to co-Being. Sympathetic resonance causes the falling away of resistance and strengthens the ability to enjoy love.

Greg's NOTE: the key word in the step 6 description is conscious. Without consciousness, the process devolves into a standard dysfunctional mismatch.

7. SUBSTANTIATION
Maintenance of a mature equilibrium of holding the We Space, while still sustaining full individuation. Potent, creative, cooperative partnership, mature monogamy-(RAM)

Greg's NOTE: while this is the Vision, I can't speak to the Reality
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2009, 11:14:48 AM »

Nope.  Never heard of the guy.  Looks interesting though...
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