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« Reply #90 on: June 24, 2009, 05:00:35 AM »

I hope my flippant remarks are not offensive. In order to unleash the free flow of ideas, I break decorum, forgetting that others might get annoyed.  Embarrassed

The model that seems to best fit the world for a person is likely to be the one that resonates with that persons inner sense of identity. I don't think a 6 dimensional world is any better or higher than a 3 dimensional world. But if we see a 3 part division or tri-furcation in the world, doesn't mean that we ourselves are tri-furcated in that moment?
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« Reply #91 on: June 24, 2009, 08:48:00 AM »

The priestesses of Apollo were inhaling natural ethylene from underground fissures from volcanic vents to suspend the dominancy of the left brain, create euphoria and allow the deeper more comprehensive…precognitive right brain to speak in verse. Thus one could say that the repressive mechanisms of the conditioned enculturated brain must be lifted in order to access the deeper more transpersonal and universal levels of consciousness. The Delphi shrine was founded before 1200 B.C. and originally was a shrine to Gaea, the earth goddess. Eventually the temple built by the eighth century B.C. and was dedicated to Apollo, the god of prophecy.

“For at least 12 centuries, the oracle at Delphi spoke on behalf of the gods, advising rulers, citizens and philosophers on everything from their sex lives to affairs of state. The oracle was always a woman, her divine utterances made in response to a petitioner's request. In a trance, at times in a frenzy, she would answer questions, give orders and make prophecies.” Fumes and Visions Were Not a Myth for Oracle at Delphi, by William Broad, Mar 19, 2002 NY Times
www.erowid.org/chemicals/ethylene/ethylene_history1.shtml

"I believe that most work on yourself consists of recognizing the paths you have to go inside yourself, and remembering them next time." Bogo

The ladder of ascension is one of remembering...however it is almost as if we have to remember how to be a fish, a reptile, and a mammal before we can be fully human. Consider for example that many of us rarely get enough grounding...grounding being an essential, fundamental requirement for any animal. This lack of grounding is contributing to our stress load, warping our body, mind and emotions, making us more vulnerable to EMF pollution and probably even leading to DNA damage through the reduction in our voltage. Grounding with the "actual" earth is the most important healing mechanism for reducing the radiation stress from electropollution. It also normalizes the body's polarity with regards to radiation, free radicals, noise pollution, stress, emotional disturbance and even helping to fortify us against stress damage from primate power dynamics and survival fear. Grounding helps to repolarize the life-field thereby removing the "noise" from the system and improving the function and efficiency of the metabolism and "design" of the body tissue. As Harold Saxton Burr says...the fields of life are primary and control all things. The life-fields that control humans are themselves subject to the greater fields of the universe. The signal-to-noise ratio in the bio-electro-dynamic life-field determines the health and the spiritual realization (incarnation) level. As order declines voltage gradients fall off as the organism fails to maintain its blueprint against the forces of entropy, and ultimately death ensues.
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« Reply #92 on: June 25, 2009, 05:25:42 AM »

Grounding is absolutely essential for people dealing with any kind of astral issues and who isn’t? On the other hand, probably many people naturally ground themselves and think nothing of it. Judith Hall also writes about closing up shop after dealing with foreign energies. Sealing the aura or whatever you want to call it.

I would add to Bogo’s remark by saying that remembering is good and necessary and it’s even better to be able to access the locations (where the paths lead) in real time.  The challenge is to have nothing less than mastery of the territory, which allows for accessing the appropriate location based on the circumstances.



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« Reply #93 on: June 25, 2009, 08:05:20 AM »

Unless people wear no shoes on ground or grass, or lie or sit around on the turf they are not grounded. Grounding takes time. When you are kundi-active you notice this...the whole body has a hunger for the ground. Me and Michael were doing animal yoga on the grass, trying to get as many parts of the body to have "ground-time" as possible.

"I would add to Bogo’s remark by saying that remembering is good and necessary and it’s even better to be able to access the locations (where the paths lead) in real time.  The challenge is to have nothing less than mastery of the territory, which allows for accessing the appropriate location based on the circumstances." Francis

It is a good point to be "ready" for the synchronous conjunctions of happenstance when they arrive. In order to do so one needs to have cleansed out the old programming. We are not conscious of the fossilized shell we carry around with us until we are presented with the ultimate moment in time and can't live up to it. It is then that the nature of our removal presents itself...when one asks...why didn't I act? It takes a lot of energy to be available to the depth and consequence of the moment, so it is good to constantly actively clear out, open up and keep in Flow. Hard lessons are won if we don't do this. Yoga in a sense is training for moving through the physiological blockages to the free flow of spirit...which "should" translate as a life lived deeper.

As to your large statement of having mastery of the territory...it is not possible. All one can do is work on energy, state, attitude, intent, direction and other qualities of being...because the territory is always occult, sneaky and shifting...it cannot be known...but one can embrace the Percival Heart of "knowing."

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« Reply #94 on: June 25, 2009, 08:49:54 AM »

to be "ready" for the synchronous conjunctions of happenstance when they arrive,.. one needs to have cleansed out the old programming

It’s hard to ‘readY’ happenstance events on the fly, for me anyway. My sister is really good at that. She says “my first instincts are always the best” I always want to go back and analyze the options first, but who has time? That's not 'in real time' Intuition has to be developed and trusted for this to work. Otherwise we either risk going along with a risky or foolish idea because of too much trust (pronoiacs) or missing an opportunity due to not enough trust (paranoiacs).

I was reading this:

http://www.amazon.ca/Book-Leadership-Strategy-Thomas-Cleary/dp/1570622205

And it says something like:

Paraphrase from memory: “Everybody wants to study how be ready to solve problems but nobody wants to work on how to avoid problems in the first place. It’s easier to avoid problems before they arise [using high awareness and presence] than it is to solve problems after they arise but no one is willing to focus on this”
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« Reply #95 on: June 25, 2009, 11:13:55 PM »

Solving the problems before they start and being "ready" for happenstance...requires us to come into our true sovereign humanity. The ego-stance of resistance will always screw up whatever we attempt. So there is no other logical alternative than to rise out of armor and resistance to what is and embrace the consequence of the moment.

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« Reply #96 on: June 26, 2009, 06:47:40 AM »

Deprivation mode arises out of a defensive posture which arises out of fear. It's like the secret; acting on your fears makes them more likely to materialize. Fear of loss leads to loss. No one can gain or lose anything because no one owns anything.
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« Reply #97 on: June 26, 2009, 09:20:19 AM »


“Deprivation mode arises out of a defensive posture which arises out of fear. It's like the secret; acting on your fears makes them more likely to materialize. Fear of loss leads to loss. No one can gain or lose anything because no one owns anything.” Francis

In a pyramid culture…unless we are initiated into selfhood beyond the mental paradigm, physical energies and modes of behavior of the culture at large…then we are still living in the armored shell of self. Everything we do from that position…our religions, politics, corporations, education, relationships…is all about security, power accumulation and identity verification (ego building). If the model of civilization undermines immunity, regeneration and the incarnation of spirit through perfection of its physical form and élan vital…then we live in a bankrupt and entropic organizational structure which must be transcended to “real-ize” our true nature. Love is the radiance of our true nature that pushes through the pull of gravity that would have us be merely a defensive response to pathological social programming.

The brute nature of patriarchal exploitive meme is simply the deprived state of the ego running amuck as it tries to fill itself with spirit (power) through pathological means. If we do not address our own removal from Spirit, our deprivation state and our own defensive armor then we do not “own” our lives, but are simply running through a dysfunctional operating system that is thousands of years obsolete already. We cannot find our way out of the labyrinthine maze of the pyramid using the same intention and vibratory mode of that self same maze. Thus there needs to be initiation and deep immersion experiences into the revelatory chemistry of higher “visionary” modes of being and atunement with Gaia, in order to redeem the full human and heal from the inner divisiveness, inner violence and self-rejection inherent in the exploitive, deprivation mode.

We cannot help but operate from weakness, fear, sadness, guilt and separation if we have not yet transcended the culture that made us what we are. This then points to the way out of the ubiquitous suffering of our small, armored shell to the hidden potential of vast resources of freedom, energy, creativity and love held within the defensive structure of contemporary humanity. Consider that most of our forms of social and spiritual initiation up to this point were those of initiation into a self-reinforcing thought system for the benefit of that closed institution…as worker drones in a hive of material selfish utilization. Merely fighting the insanity of the anti-biogenic colossus of pyramid culture, we remain prisoners of it and cannot emerge into the solar light of Cosmic Consciousness. So now in order to “recover” the humanizing force from the machinations of automated hominoid programming we must find ways of initiation to the cosmic human beyond cultural operating system. And since the mode of the stress-status damaged pyramid dweller is victimization and commodification, we have to start thinking of non-monetary ways to initiate vast populations of “creatives,” that is those still able to think for themselves, into deep immersion in trans-cultural experience.
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« Reply #98 on: June 27, 2009, 02:31:18 PM »

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The brute nature of patriarchal exploitive meme is simply the deprived state of the ego running amuck as it tries to fill itself with spirit (power) through pathological means.
And the pathology is best described as a paranoia that arises from insecurity and lust for power.

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It's been tried. All the religions were founded on the idea and they've all mostly broke down or somehow failed to address the scope of the problem.  An efficient technology that releases the energy from inner-wounds is required. A complimentary technology for preventing wounds is also required. We have our list, let's go shoppin'  Grin


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« Reply #99 on: June 27, 2009, 02:57:16 PM »

It's been tried. All the religions were founded on the idea and they've all mostly broke down or somehow failed to address the scope of the problem. 


this seed is a living, mecurical seed that can't be contained and turns into it's opposite when one tries to create a process or institutionalize it. 
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« Reply #100 on: June 27, 2009, 04:14:41 PM »

Good point. It's like trying to grab hold of a fish in soapy water. As we used to say, like greased lightning. You can't even hold it, how can you give it to people?
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« Reply #101 on: June 27, 2009, 04:36:43 PM »

"this seed is a living, mecurical seed that can't be contained and turns into it's opposite when one tries to create a process or institutionalize it."

Existence is essentially paradoxical because movement in one direction creates an equal opposite force? Thus the psyche is a grand attractor, an artist of dream and nightmare...directing the show from behind the scenes...surprising us with the intricate complexity of twisted maze. Dazzling us with the trickiness, the wicked inevitability of the human drama.

One of the principle paradoxes is that because institutions are established for control they kill the spirit rather than release it. Love integrates the subconscious, conscious and superconscious minds allowing us to navigate happenstance more harmoniously, forthrightly and to the satisfaction of body, mind and soul. Relationships and institutions built on the development of sovereignty and the exploration of what sovereignty is, have a better chance of releasing spirit from repression, denial and lack of use.

Of course, "Not in His Image," is one of the most outstanding books ever written. In it John Lam Lash describes the rise of narcissism associated with the establishment of the patriarchal religions as being rooted in dissociation from the body, Gaia and healthy pleasure.

"The rampant narcissism of the Piscean Age engendered a psychological need for deliverance from the very egocentricity produced by the collective shift into self-concern. With its program of individual soul salvation, Christianity had the advantage of appearing to satisfy that need. But rather than curing the obsessive self-concern, it worsened the condition. “ 38, Not In His Image, John Lamb Lash

Militarization required an unnatural martyrdom through brain washing people into believing in an off world God and rewards in the here after. Now with the help of the New Age and Eastern religions we have dissociated even further into believing in multiple lifetimes. This type of denial of death infects all we do and so we never to terms with the immediacy or portent of our lives. But drift along in a half daze as though we had all the time in the world to arrive here. It is this dissociation that is fueling our present cultural-disease process and permitting even a fascist coup in America and around the world.


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« Reply #102 on: June 27, 2009, 05:24:44 PM »

Good point. It's like trying to grab hold of a fish in soapy water. As we used to say, like greased lightning. You can't even hold it, how can you give it to people?

i don't think you can give it to people.  you can "get it" (grok) but you can't even possess it.  but if can get out of the way with as little distrubance as possible someone else can discover it when they know the key to the grail.
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« Reply #103 on: June 27, 2009, 06:32:29 PM »

Video on the rationale of inner work:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoAwuM4ZQbM
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« Reply #104 on: June 28, 2009, 10:17:04 AM »

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the shadow side of the father archetype. If you look at the tarot attributions for the emperor and empress, you might see something like:

  • Empress (upright): The virgin/mother goddess of abundance and love.

  • Emperor (upright): The loving benevolent father god of power and virtue. 

  • Empress (reversed): The smothering spider mother who consumes all.

  • Emperor (reversed ): The domineering, selfish and irrational father.


We have a society now that relies on the model of the 'upright emperor' We want our leaders of families and nations to be like this. In which case our system works well. The patriarchal society breaks down when the leaders are exhibiting the traits of the ill-dignified emperor. Perhaps the patriarchal elements we see are really a sign that the wise men of old realized that this was a problem and sought to draw our attention to it. Perhaps they didn't see the traits of the ill-dignified empress as quite as much of a concern for society at that time. If so, they seem to be right. I won't mention any names but..the modern day manifestations of the ill-dignified emperor are all too common and are causing some serious and widespread havoc and anxiety, even by the most modest estimates.
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