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« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2009, 05:25:56 AM »

Francis;

 I’m saying it is ok to be unaware of this fabulous birthright, they’re saying that it’s not ok.


Is there a non-dualistic, meta-physical, transcendental, timeless precept for such a conviction, or is it rather a more moral, ethical, empathetic impulse –or even a vast, colorful combination of multiple motivations?
It seems as though we are back to ‘it’s all good’ once again, and I’m just simply trying to get a lock on its timeless origins, and its potentially omniscient veracity.


To answer your question, I consider it a pragmatic approach.
 

To highlight just how impactful exterior, cultural realities have on our own personal interior world views –when I initially read your word ‘pragmatic’- my first association was of Obama, and his own predictable and safe pragmatism, at a critical time in history, when anything but, would seem to be required. As I recently told a friend not too long ago; “He wrote a book called ‘The Audacity of Hope,’ not ‘The Audacity of Pragmatism!’” One of the most frequent words the media seems to have chosen to describe our new president is ‘pragmatic.’ As a liberal, progressive, democratic, and dare I say ‘spiritual’ observer, activist, and voter –I have become quite disappointed with not only Obama’s preference for pragmatic, centrist governance- but it also seems to be the favorite default position of nearly every other elected, democratic politician as well. In certain political circles the term is known as ‘republican lite.’ Suffice to say, in the last few months, that simple word has taken on a whole new meaning –or association- for me, and I have to confess, it ain’t none too positive either. Be that as it may, I truly do understand where you’re coming from though, with your use of the word. However, I just thought it a practical ‘meme mining exercise’ to take a moment periodically to re-reflect on just how easy it is to program and influence our inner realities, and to also wonder just how many of us actually takes the time to pause and take stock in these matters. I would venture a guess that precious few of us do so. I would also surmise that such an exercise might very well make up the bulk of the psycho-therapists itinerary, as well as being a large part of what might be regarded as another’s ‘spiritual work.’

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If I don’t accept the way other people are, how can I hope to be accepted for the way I am?

Now that is pragmatic. Some might even say ‘commonsensical.’ Those folks would not be the politically conservative though. They save the term ‘common sense’ only for that which fits into their non-accepting world view. You will accept the way other people are, because that is your nature –that is a part of who you are. There are people who will never (I use the term ‘never’ loosely) accept you for the way you are, simply because that is the way they are, and all the logic in the world is not going to change that.

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If I judge them, my judgments will bounce back and bite me in the ass. 

Speaking of ‘ass’… Sometimes when confronted with an asshole, a little judgment just may be in order. A lot of judgment may not be wise, but a little judgment will help you decide if you might want to take this guy home to meet your sister –or if perhaps you should better yet deposit him in the nearest drunk-tank instead. I will readily admit that most of us are far too quick in the judgment game, and one of the most needed tools to remedy such a shortcoming is to find a way to bring in far more empathy with ones fellow inhabitants than we are presently engaged in.  However, if we were to look at those people who judge, and those people who are concerned about judging –we would easily observe that although the two might be enmeshed in the process of judgment- the degree that one judges with reckless abandon and righteous indignation, and the degree that another judges while lamenting their own shortcomings for judging, cannot be considered as equally egregious offenses. People who judge on rare occasions, and then beat themselves up for their trespasses, are not on the same level, or footing, as those who judge everything and everybody, because of their deep-seated beliefs or associations about life itself, and everything in it… To be less judgmental is a good, integral practice for growing into a better, more empathetic human being. It is also simply the result of that ongoing growth.

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If I’m not coming from the point of view of ‘I’m ok and you’re ok’, then I have a problem, not them. Does that make sense?   

It does. But sometimes ‘you’re okay,’ and your neighbor is on a wild rampage that requires tear gas and handcuffs. If you don’t like the word ‘judgment’ –like I don’t like the word ‘pragmatic’- maybe a little ‘discernment’ instead might be in order. I really understand where you’re coming from here. I think this is probably ‘Paradox 101’ on the spiritual time continuum. Before we proceed on to the next step of our ethical, spiritual, moral, human growth project, it becomes rather self-evident that there are very real divisions in the world and the sure thing that seems to cause these divisions the most –besides violence itself- are the violent judgments we hold towards one another, both at home and all over the world. Naturally, a simple solution to such a problem would seem to be to stop all the violence, and stop all the judgment. The problem with moral relativism however, is the same problem that Barak Obama has. He doesn’t want to look back, he only wants to look forward. He cannot seriously affect change because to do so would force him to look back and to judge those –and those circumstances- which were responsible for our present –and some would say ‘unpleasant’- reality. Sometimes there are good policies, and sometimes there are bad ones. And sometimes there are those that are so badly screwed up that they just scream out for some serious judgment –particularly from the folks that do not like to judge…

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  My take on ‘It’s all good’ is that it’s like the expression ‘it’s 5 o’clock somewhere’ meaning that the cocktail hour can start at any time.

Well there’s that pragmatic side again, and it’s probably based on some very practical considerations. Many times my cheerful demeanor has been responded to with something like; “my, you’re certainly in a good mood,” which has oftentimes been followed by a well founded reply; “well, it sure beats the alternative, doesn’t it?” I am all for focusing on the sunny side. But I am also equally certain that when things are amiss, then we are also called to draw attention to those areas as well.

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Shift your perspective if you don’t want to feel bad. 

I think a big part of this experience we call physical reality, and being human, is how we deal with things we don’t like. I could turn off the TV, stop reading the newspapers, dial out the radio, and stay off-line if I don’t want to experience the un-pleasantries that life has to offer. Or I can just as easily feel a desire, or an obligation to participate in the collective era that I was born into.

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There are no absolutes, so why stay in a state of mind that’s focused on the bad aspect of something, marinating your brain in stress chemicals when a mere shift in perspective is all that’s needed to feel better?   

 I certainly don’t see any value in stewing in one’s own juices forever on end. But to only shift my focus to the sunny side when our world around us is seemingly cracking at the seams appears to be no more a realistic alternative than the former.

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“Every silver lining has a touch of gray” but why focus on that?  Don't forget it, but don't focus on it either. 

I’m not too concerned about a little rain on a picnic from that gray cloud you describe. I’m more concerned about those ominous, metaphorical thunderclouds  which bring about something like the four horseman of the Apocalypse, because we refuse to judge our prior incarnations as it seems they detract from our present or future manifestations.

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  To some extent it's the same approach as that of the threatened ostrich, in fact I call it the ostrich approach. Works for me.

I’m sure we all play the ostrich from time to time. However I would hesitate to adopt it as a viable alternative to coming to terms with our own personal and collective shadows though…
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« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2009, 03:54:54 PM »

i can now access the gaia/balderville response to the series and am also curious about the facebook discussion? kinda looking forward to Sally... Kumbaya pray
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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2009, 12:51:30 PM »

had my first astral shaktipat levitation experience during todays episode when some woman named Marianthi from Venezuela asked Sally Kempton a good question BananaDance BananaDance. i enjoyed the conversation very much after that bow. i found myself wanting to do some super dooper reiki on sally's throat chakra. ended up thinking the Venezuela woman was the best part of the interview beer....henryananda....my kriyas spiraled out of control when Craig announced:"our final question comes from a woman in Scotland" Woo Hoo!
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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2009, 01:13:14 PM »


And a full puja back to you, Henryananda!  Kiss
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« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2009, 01:44:26 PM »

i had an idea that you might know Sally, M. She was likely part of the "travel squad" at the weekend "intensive" i attended in '75 albuquerque. she is a little older than me, but in parallel orbits in Princeton, nj and new york city. what stories she could tell Cool
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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2009, 10:22:29 PM »

Yes, Henry,  I do know Sally/Swami Durgananda, in the way that long-term resident students/devotees to the any of the S.Y. Ashrams would get to know the swamis in the 70´s, 80´s and 90´s.

Her presentation today seemed aimed at an audience ´young´in the ´spiritual path´.  It is likely that her answers to my question would have been different if she were speaking to ´seasoned´ spiritual/integral students.   

Her first answer was one I´ve heard often: pocket the lofty fruit of the teachings/spiritual transmissions that your Guru or teacher can give and leave aside the inconsistencies that he/she shows to his/her very own teachings as part of his/her unprocessed human shadow.   

The second one was to take both the lofty and the rotten you get from your teacher/guru as part of your sadhana and process it so that it can serve your path.

I found this one closer to a satisfactory protocol for the case in question, when one has come to be with a teacher/guru of great light and mighty shadows.  After the program  was over,  Steven asked me what would my answer have been, if had I had received the question.  He´s good like that, never lets me off the hook.

I had to speak from my experience: the guru/disciple relationship I had, served me exceedingly well while I basked in the light, energy transmissions and insightful wisdom that it offered.  It was a cocoon where I shed much of the socio-cultural, mental, emotional, restraints that ruled me at the time I entered that relationship.  When (around 25 years later)  the ´flaws´in the Guru/teacher/lineage surfaced, I came to accept them and see them as prods towards my freedom from the path.  It was time to grow up, leave all formulas and prescriptions behind and act from the truer core that must have been developing while I was an  ´orthodox´ student. 

 The guru is now life herself inside/outside,  with whole body/mind/instincts/senses as guides, lures, sentinels.  I still do some of the practices learned in the path that help expand what serves me well, but it is a much lonelier path without any sangam.  It has more questioning and uncertainty without the outer dictates.  Yet  there are moments when that very force of life leaps over all of that, takes over and hands me unconventional and unexpected new perspectives and new me´s.  I can´t complain about that, especially when I look back to the leaps of the last few years and to the eyes that greet me in the morning.

Your turn to speak, Henry.

M.

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« Reply #36 on: July 11, 2009, 11:04:41 PM »

thanks Marianthi. i feel like with her voice issues she has so much to say and not ready to say it? i look forward to her written word. Steven has it right that your answers are louder and clearer bow... anyway, Grace showed up and i'm grateful. lots of love baseball friend wave..enriqy.....M., i wonder if you remember an esalen friend Simone Surpin? i think she was in Ganeshpuri for a while
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« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2009, 04:07:37 AM »

Henry,

Sorry, I do not recall your friend.  I was in Ganeshpuri in 77/78 and again around the year 2000. It was never an easy place for me.  South Fallsburg and Oakland were easier.

Did you find Sally´s talk very subdued in terms of commitment to a path, compared to what was often the tone around the S.Y. Ashrams?

Hugs,
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« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2009, 10:16:15 AM »

thanks M., Simone was a fascinating serious Siddha student i lost track of in '75... i'll bet that oakland ashram was something BananaDance.....i guess sally and all are addressing their remarks to the "great integral audience" Roll Eyes....frustrating because she must be such a brilliant woman and had a very interesting life. Princeton, Sarah Lawrence, a high flying new york feminist/ journalist/social scene person. And i can't think of anyone who should have more insight into the Muktananda/ Gurumayi phenomenon. Sally spoke to us like we were the only people not in the room Huh?. Also i was a bit surprised she didn't acknowledge you when Marianthi from Venezuela was recognized. Maybe you had a different ashram name....anyway sally seems like a fine person and thats good enough for me wave....enriqyji....and yes, the bhakti enthusiasm didn't quite come across between throat clearings
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« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2009, 07:40:20 PM »

It was nice, long ago,  to be intense with the practices, the kriyas, the bhakti.  Some wonderful friendships were forged in that intensity so I can see why you´d ask for your friend. 

I had assumed that with so much happening then I´d be a hollow reed of bliss by now - needing nothing more in life than to whistle a happy mantra.  Maybe that´s yet to come... blush

I did have a different name at the Ashram.  It always felt cleansing to leave my usual name behind.

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« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2009, 12:51:58 PM »

i'm kinda on the opposite side of the integral tracks from the wilber-cohen axis, and found myself more interested today in the Open Golf Championship at Turnberry. Fifty-nine year old Integral Tom Watson(hip replacement in november) in a dazzling display of skill, character, serenity and yes,  spirituality, lept off the pages of "golf in the kingdom" to take an unprecedented third round lead bow BananaDance....and i do think Andrew Cohen publishes a fine magazine(enlighteNext) Lips Sealed
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« Reply #41 on: July 26, 2009, 02:11:50 PM »

kinda a snoozy week at the great awakening. most exciting moment came when Genpo revealed he used to play water polo Cool. the gestalt-zen thingy kinda a hybrid stretch? Beats me
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« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2009, 01:21:16 PM »

i enjoyed the Claire Zammit/ Craig Hamilton episode today, and trust Craig's voice. It will be interesting to watch Craig's "evolution" in Berkeley as he distances himself from the celebrity Cohen/Wilber abstract theoretical advaita axis, to the embodied tried and true CIIS/esalen sphere of the bay area  boxing. ....your mischievous servant, henry Wink
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« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2009, 10:17:07 PM »

i havn't been listening.  i thought you could download these and listen them in the car, you have to wait a week or two, so i'll be behind.  had to skip the wilber and cohen weeks, just couldn't take it  laugh
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« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2009, 01:09:03 PM »

halfway through the GIA series and i'm tired Cry. i was pleasantly surprised by diane hamilton's lightness, intelligence and humor. the weekly audience therapy mosh pit is cumbersome and they might be better served with only internet questions. the Woman from Venezuela is still the Highlight bow.
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