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[theurj]

Questions: From what worldview does at-will employment arise? Would at-will employment be acceptable to an ?integral? business?

Here are a couple links to get the discussion going:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will
http://www.rbs2.com/atwill.htm

?The doctrine of employment-at-will emerged in the nineteenth century in the United States in a climate of unbridled, laissez-faire expansionism, social Darwinism, and rugged individualism.? ?from the 2nd reference.

From http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2006/8/5/135721/3589

The most striking aspect of US labor law is how little protection it offers employee when compared to laws in other OECD countries. The lack of protection for workers in the relationship with employers places American workers at a grave disadvantage when compared to workers in the other industrialized countries of the OECD.

Among OECD countries only the US and Japan subscribe to a strict ?at-will? employment relationship, while Austria, Swizterland, and Belgium limit the requirment that employers justify dismissal to specific categories.

The US stands alone among OECD countries in not requiring that employers offer some statutory compensation in cases where employees are dimissed without reason.

In most OECD countries, employees who were fired without reason have a claim to reinstatement. Among OECD countries, only Switzerland has no allowance for reinstatment, while in Belgium, this is again limited to certain job categories. In the United States with (extremely) rare exceptions, workers have no right to reinstatement.

[marshall]

Answers; Pre-green worldviews support at-will employment doctrines. As such, no integral business would support it.

I'm not sure what the "authorities" (D. Beck, K.Wilber, etc.) would say, but it seems to me that they have a tendency to think that the green meme was born in the 1960's. Perhaps I have a wrong impression, I hope so.

I tend to think that the green meme has its roots in an earlier period of history when the orange meme was at its most blatant mean phase. Karl Marx wrote The Communist Manifesto because of the unhealthy relationship between employers and the employed, with child labor and all that jazz. While the East embraced communism, the West tried to rectify the situation through other means; collective bargaining/labor unions. While the idea of communism may not be flawed, the implementation of it sure was.

The Ronald Reagan administration ushered in regressive policy and doctrine (hopefully in the service of transcendence) marking the end of The Golden Age of The Middle Class. Even Slick Willy (Clinton), with his veneer of green continued the regression with NAFTA and GATT agreements.

Does that adequately answer your questions, theurj?

[theurj]

I appreciate you answer marshall. I'm hoping to get others to answer as well.

[henry]

hi theurj. paul hawken and his links might be a resource(?).. henry

[marshall]

I'm a little skeptical about Hawken after viewing Who Killed The Electric Car?. There seems to have been quite the conspiracy involving the government, Big Oil, and the American car companies. One of the tactics they used to protect their perceived vested interests against electric vehicles was to promote (hype) fuel-cell technology which is still a long way off - opposed to electric technology which is presently available. Classic bait and switch diversionary tactic.

It reminds me of Michael Crichtons appearance on IN a couple of years ago, not too long after Hawken was promoted on IN. It was at the time that his new novel came out, in which he underplayed the threat of global warming and painted environmentalists as terrorists. That was about the same time that the Bush administration was busted for altering the scientific literature on the subject before the info went to Congress.

Anyhow, Hawken wrote a chapter on fuel-cells. It was a fantastic piece of utopian vision that had me quite excited, but now I'm more suspicious.

Who Killed The Electric Car? is now available on DVD. I highly recommend that ya'll watch it.

[Daniel]

I just rented it Marshall, thanks for the movie tip. I remember when it came out in a local art theater but then thought "It means time away from the family" to drive down. Now I can have a cold one and watch it! (although I really should go on that diet, beer bellies do not look healthy on me).

Dan

[marshall]

Let us know what you think of the film.

Do you have any weights at home, Dan? A few curls and presses could go a long way and is fairly compatible with watching the glass teat. Ten or fifteen minutes every now and then might just get the ball rolling.

[R.K.]

 

Not sure where this fits in, but some of the earliest autos like the Ford Model-T were designed to run on ethanol and/or gas........and they're saying it's difficult to transition to today?

I agree with your incisive analysis about green emerging earlier than the 60's Stew.......and that at-will exploitation is a sign of a pre-green consciousness!

As ever,

R.K.

[Liz]

Yes, i would agree green probably appeared sometime after WW2, the UN, Trade Unions etc..........as a leading edge rather than a centre of gravity. Not understood by ruling elite orange business types who can't tell the difference between socialism and communism, because it all looks the same from there.

60s was a twist, the evrything goes misapprehension that goes with riotous green's confusion of being judgemental(seen as a no no) with making jusgements about relative value (necessary if anything is going to get done)


Liz

[marshall]

Never Judge, Always Discern
has been a recent mantra for me, kinda like; never give up and always surrender

nice to see you R.K.!

[theurj]

So do you think an integral business could embrace at-will employment? Take a couple of examples of integral business as presented on Integral Naked, Sounds True (http://www.soundstrue.com/aboutus.html) and Whole Foods (http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/company/philosophy.html). They appear to embrace a more "just cause" employee termination process rather than just firing someone for no reason.

[Daniel]

Florida is a right to work state, which means any employer can fire you, for no reason, with no notice. So lets say the boss doesn't like your new haircut, thats grounds for dismissal. I really don't see the advantage in this employment at will...am I missing something?

Marshall, finally saw "Who Killed the Electric Car?". Great, just great. Brother, corporate America has us all by the balls. Nothing has changed since the Roman Empire, the ruling class and the elites think for us, shit for us, breath for us, tell us what to wear, drive and believe. This is a democracy?
We're just a bunch of sheep being feed lies and deceit. This isn't a crack pot conspiracy theory, these films really help put things into focus, you sure as hell can't rely on mass media to tell you what the important issues are. What's important to us according to all the media giants is where do they bury Ana Nicole Smiths body and Britney Spears shaving her head bald.

Here are two great resources by the way for electric cars and hybrids

http://www.pluginamerica.com/

http://www.calcars.org/bettah/

Dan

[marshall]

Thanks for the links, good brother. I've been working to find and gather info about conspiracy lately. I'm thinking that people who don't understand conspiracy are the real crack-pots, hehehe

Someone over at zaadz shared a good link with me, Terrorstorm. Hmmm, where did I put that link? It's a nearly two-hour film, but well worth the view, imo. It rates right up there as one on the most important media productions ever made, right along side An Inconvenient TruthandWho Killed The Electric Car?.

These films should be required material is all learning institutions. Sadly though, Terror Storm has only had about 100,000 views.

[jimtzu]

you can find terrorstorm and a lot of other alex jones' vids on google video.. just google and it'll take you right there.
here's the infowars link to see what's out there. http://www.infowars.com/terrorstorm/