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[Jana]

I have got to turn you'll onto this fabulous site I just found...man not only is this Wal guy fabulous looking, but he can think too.
www.electric-universe.info

�The most merciful thing in the world ... is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents... The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality... That we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.� - H. P. Lovecraft

In a broadly interdisciplinary inquiry such as this, communication itself can pose quite a challenge. Typically, the greatest difficulties in communication will occur when one is questioning something already "known" to be true. On matters of underlying principle, the confidence behind established ideas can be so high that discussion itself may seem quite senseless. This difficulty is aggravated by fragmentation of the process by which information is gathered and evaluated. The specialization of intellectual inquiry carries with it certain risks when assumptions within one discipline rest upon prior assumptions in other disciplines. No one can be an expert on everything, and when considering possibilities outside one's personal expertise, it is only natural to defer to what specialists in other studies claim to know. But what are the consequences of this when theoretical suppositions, though perceived as fact, cannot account for compelling new fields of data?

Given the extreme fragmentation of established science today it is difficult to imagine that the enterprise as a whole could ever "correlate all its contents." Yet extraordinary strides toward that "someday" envisioned by Lovecraft may now be possible through a new approach - one in which electrical phenomena receive the full attention they deserve, and all appropriate fields of evidence are included. To some, the prospects may appear every bit as disturbing as Lovecraft imagined. But for those who instinctively seek out unifying principles, the new horizons will be at once breathtaking and hopeful.

This introduction will present a new "deep focus lens" for viewing the physical universe, from sub-atomic particles to galactic realms unknown before the Hubble telescope. The Electric Universe is a holistic answer to myopia* -that narrowing of vision which naturally accompanies the fragmentation of knowledge and learning. For those with the courage to see clearly, the required "unlearning" of fashionable ideas carries no real cost whatsoever. The terror Lovecraft envisioned is only the first rush of uncertainty, when ideas long taken for granted are thrown into question by facts and simple reasoning previously ignored. The "piecing together of dissociated knowledge" will only require us to confront the deep contradictions in things experts have long claimed to know. With the courage to see clearly, the adventure itself could well be "the most merciful thing in the world," adding new insights into the greatest dramas of early human history and vital perspective to humanity's situation in the cosmos. Lovecraft did not realize that the "terrifying vistas" are but a mirage seen through an open door. The truth is always unified, and as such it can only be friendly to those who seek the truth first. As we pass through the door, it is not fear that goes with us, but the exhilaration of discovery.

- Wal Thornhill / David Talbott

*Myopia - a disinclination to acknowledge the existence of something.

[Nickeson]

Hey,

I think I just semi-wasted a couple of entertaining hours on this Electric Universe website, but that is no one?s fault but mine. When I read that its author, Thornhill, had a soft place in his heart/mind for Immanuel Velikovsky and Halton Arp I should have just clicked out with no backward glance. These two might be the champions for having the most scientific evidence massed against their theories of any two people over the second half of the 20th Century. This is not to say they are wrong?anything is possible, but the statistical probability of their theories being canonized into Natural Law does not look at all hopeful.

It is nice to see someone bucking the system, the Establishment of Western Reductionist Science, like Thornhill is trying to do, but when a scientific site contains more polemics than hard, referenced evidence I begin to think there is more to the picture. I?m still trying to figure Thornhill?s agenda and so far I have concluded that it is probably subjective. In other words he isn?t into it for the money. When he wrote ?Halton Arp has proven that the universe is not expanding,? I had to think, ?That certainly won?t get him any grants from the National Science Foundation.? For one thing, Arp has not proven anything of the kind. For another, Thornhill, a physicist, should know that a scientist cannot prove anything. Instead they disprove the null hypothesis, i.e. eliminate the possibilities that the phenomenon that they observe could be created by something other than what they theorize to be the case. So why would Thornhill write something like that? It is a political statement, not a scientific one. Maybe he?s like Mister Wilber and wants to see just how many times he can shoot himself in the foot with an overblown claim and still be able to walk safely to the bathroom in a darkened loft.

There is a sort of morbid diversion to these matters. When one looks behind the site?s curtains and follows the links where they might lead, one finds that they have tied into one of the loci of a pissing match between a dogmatic true believer and his equally dogmatic, co-dependent skeptics and one is going to thereby learn more about the fringy social behavior and politics of scientists than about the natural ways of the possibly known universe.

If anyone is interested here is a link to a fairly good but exceptionally technical refutation of Thornhill?s views.

Yours in the spirit of Erich von D?niken
Steven

[Jana]

yea velicovsky is obviously loopy,
One thing I can't work out is they say electric fields tear plasmas apart, and magnetic fields confine them....and they say electic and magnetic fields also "go together." Can you actually have an electric field that is not magnetic or a magnetic field that is not electric?

I still think modern astrophysicists are all mad if they "believe" in the Big Bang theory...
also have you considered that the red shift is related to space curvature rather than acceleration/distance.

 

[Nickeson]

Jana,
You wrote:

I still think modern astrophysicists are all mad if they "believe" in the Big Bang theory...

and I reply that those astrophysicists have good evidence that adherence to the Big Bang Theory keeps food on their tables, and gives them opportunities to break into the unbelievable monotony of their everydays by going to snazzy conferences in exotics places faraway from home. It all conforms to Puddin?head Wilson?s theory of ?cornpone opinions.? (?Tell me where a man gets his bread and I will tell you his opinions.?)

That is a fairly good reason as to why they keep plugging away at it. (And some of them might not be able to constitutionally withstand the stress and wild excitement generated by a profession such as Accounting.) The BB theory does not require a great deal of deathless fidelity such as that found in a crusading evangelist or a professional baseball player. One can lose faith in The Theory and still turn in a good performance and sleep well at night because overall The Theory is so fundamentally inconsequential to life on this planet. Those astrophysicists know that in their heart of hearts while the preacher has to stay truer than blue to salvation, and the player has to sacrifice all to win. In other words the astrophysicist does not have to "believe" in order to stay the hero of his own story. (And maybe, as time wears on, he can even become accustomed to the idea that, like all the rest of us, he?s a clown in someone else?s show.)

Yours in the spirit of Emmett Kelly
Steven

[Jana]

Hmm what a great writer you are...I am still going to look into Wals work to see if it holds any info for my Kundalini solar-lunar investigations...he sent me a link to a suitable site: see the last page of http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=gdaqg8df for my ideas about external influences on our biology.

Have you read Eric Learners The Big Bang Never Happened...a seriously prof. look at the plasma physics universe...don't know if the field has progressed since then. I think the majority of the minds are distracted by BB.

I don't know if I am a clown in anyone elses show, but I am definitely a clown in my own story, but I am getting rather tired of my own performance.

ROBERT SAPOLSKY says that it is ?personality? that determines the degree of health and brain damage done by sociological stress in baboon tribes. I therefore assume it is ?personality? and its concomitant habits, which determine how well we benefit from an awakening or if we will be spiritually, mentally and physically set back by a kundalini awakening. Our belief system and if our environment is supportive or not plays a huge part in this also.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1877467554618436978&q=robert+sapolsky   ?important video on stress, brain damage and primate ranking.

2 Videos by Bruce Lipton at google
 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8982208321500875373

EFFECTS: I had a very rich sensory memory of New Zealand and up to about 2000 I used to go visit my virtual New Zealand in my head to bask in this or that beautiful spot?In this way I felt connected to the whole, and could remember the feelings of newness and possibility from childhood. With the restructuring of my brain since 2000 I no longer have the majority of my painbody, but I also do no longer have this rich virtual sensoral New Zealand inner holiday either. What is more I probably won?t be able to get that deep sensory memory back again either, it is gone for good. I can conjure any picture or scenery but it lacks emotional content and full sensory impact. Because of this loss of sensoral memory I also seem to have lost or broken the thread to the visceral body self-remembering self navigating orientation in spacetime. The formative sense memory must be keyed into our sense of destiny.

[Nickeson]

Jana,
That was a fascinating video from Sapolsky. So in regard to the material in the second half of it, did he tell you anything you didn't already know?
Steven

[Jana]

Sapolsky is "it" as far as the stress response goes, so I had to study him for understanding kundalini...I would have been nowhere without him.
With regards to primate dynamics, it is just really useful to see the thing in action with his photos...didn't know baboons had such naughty evil natures like humans...that higher rank means greater sense of "control" which lowers cortisol and hippocampal damage...and that it is "personality" that is the determining factor in how greatly we are stressed and greatly stress damages us. We have a tacit understanding of this, but it really needs to be plainly stated again and again. I would love Robert to do a full feature documentary....it could even be released in the main Theatre circuits.