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« Reply #285 on: March 14, 2009, 03:31:15 PM »

I don't think Ken clearly define the problem of "activism" energy...he just kind of dissed it in the snipit I saw.

Do you think the following hints at activism energy and if so, how would I change it to make it more visionary rather than reactionary?

Existential Dis-ease And Cultural Sanity
The existential crisis of trying to adapt to a dysfunctional cultural system lies at the root cause of our degenerative disease. Although this illness involves physical processes and behaviors, the demise of the health of the species is primarily a spiritual crisis arising from our negative relationship to earth, soil and the founding premises of civilization itself. Many of the symptoms we experience today stem from our maladaptive methods of adjustment to survival, social and psychological stresses. As such they are “existential” illnesses, which can only be truly addressed with a comprehensive lifestyle change and philosophical, objective view of the culture we find ourselves in. People who have had depression are twice as likely to develop CFS.  Psychiatrist Simon Wessely claims that conditions such as CFS, irritable bowel syndrome and fibromyalgia are all the same illness. Wessely believes that CFS generally has some organic trigger, such as a virus, but that the role of psychological and social factors are more important when considering failure of some patients to recover and treatments centered around these factors can be effective.

The over-riding dis-ease context is the sense of obsolescence of the slave in a culture of mindless consumerism. If statistics were done we would probably find that those with a vocation, passionate hobby, or fully engaged creative talent are less likely to come down with the physical, mental and emotional illnesses of the end-phase of a cultural paradigm. In order to not fall prey to cancer, heart disease, MS, CFS, irritable bowel symptom, depression etc…we must therefore engage the visionary within to positively create our lives from the inside out, according to our highest desires for health, truth and abundance. In becoming one of the builders of the new way, we do not have to experience the necrotic, neurotic die-off symptoms of the old paradigm as it passes over.

There is no survival value in being well adapted to a dysfunctional pyramidal system that is built on brain damage. Rather it makes more sense to simply drop that system and set about creating the new circle culture, that is built on brain growth and whole brain functioning. Another way of putting it is, that it is insane to be uncritically assimilated in a dying regime, because one is asleep to the nefarious life diminishing processes of ones cultural ocean. On the other hand it is sane to be meta-adapted to the existing culture, while being a force of change and transformation to the new. To not waste time in revolution or even depression over the existing paradigm, but to simply find your wave of growth and ride it into the enlightened age. This way, not even time itself can hold one back and both the light and dark of existing conditions can propel one forward. Nirvana is the Flow of the heart in creative flux.

“Your range of thought is given to you by the dominant values of your society.” Jacque Fresco
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« Reply #286 on: March 16, 2009, 06:33:12 AM »

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there is the other dimension where people are at the macro side of things and the micro is much smaller.  that's where the whole fractal spectrum comes into play.

We see fractal geometry in crystals, cellular organelles, trees, clouds, coastlines, and galaxies, so that implies some independence of scale.
 
I speak from a human perspective, I can’t help it. Perhaps cells are the microscopic projection (or reflection) of the macroscopic organism and molecules are the microscopic projection (or reflection) of the macroscopic cell, and likewise atoms to molecules, etc. In which case, the idea (that the microcosm is a projection of the macrocosm) is perfectly general. However from chemistry we have evidence that crystal forms are rather well explained as reflecting molecular-orbital geometry, not vice versa. But there seems to be always a synergistic factor that appears in the macroscopic system which is not found in the microscopic projection. The whole is not fully explained by the parts but the parts are fully explained by the whole. That’s the idea I was getting at. My jump off point was “man is a microcosm” and perhaps this idea can be extrapolated, but I’m wary of doing so. My goal here is to explore the implications and meaning of the idea. I welcome your input, thanks.
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« Reply #287 on: March 16, 2009, 12:24:50 PM »

A fractal has a recursive definition. A recursive definition defines something in terms of itself. That’s why fractals are self-similar; because they are generated by mapping the reiteration of a single formula (kernel). This iteration process generates new patterns (forms) that are geometrically similar but not identical to the previous iteration or kernel (original form). The fractal is a map of the progressive and iterative projection of a kernel. Just like an individual or an object is a map of the progressive projection (evolution) of the Universe.

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The Science of Chaos has discovered four basic Cosmos Attractors:
The Point Attractor. Cycle Attractor. Torus Attractor. Strange Attractor.
Although known as the four "chaos attractors," they are really the opposite - they are Cosmos Attractors that balance chaos. The four "Attractors" bring order out of Chaos. They are part of a basic law of four - a "fractal of four." The Universe has a fundamental pattern of fourfoldness throughout all scales of magnitude. When applied to Nature, including Man, the Law of Four manifests as the four attractors. These attractors balance entropy, providing order from out of chaos. When applied in the microcosmic level "the four" manifests as the four basic energies or forces: electro-magnetic, gravity, and the strong and weak forces. In human consciousness its the four functions of sensing, thinking, feeling and willing. Understanding how the Attractors work in the meso-cosmic world can help us make sense of our world, and make sense of our consciousness functions.
Everywhere we see a hidden order and similarity over scales, such as is that shown geometrically by the Mandelbrot and Julia sets. This hidden order is based on one of the four Attractors, the Strange Attractor. It governs the fourth dimension of space-time reality. The other three attractors, which likewise bring hidden order out of Chaos, follow the first, second and third dimensions, the line, plane and solid. They are called the Point Attractor, the Circuit (or sometimes Cycle) Attractor and the Torus Attractor. As humans living in the fourth dimension we are at our best when we avoid their influences and follow the spontaneity and freedom of the Strange Attractor. Only in this way can we live autonomously in the moment, in tune with what the Chinese call the Tao, the Way, the flow of forces in the fourth dimension.
The four attractors act on all levels of reality to form Cosmos out of Chaos. They make up a newly discovered Wisdom Law fundamental to making sense of what is happening in the real world. The world is not really totally ordered as previously believed. It is fundamentally disordered, chaotic, but it contains forces or attractors of cosmos that create patterns of order over time. They are anchors of order in an otherwise stormy sea. Full understanding of the Attractors requires a new understanding of space and time. As to space, we need to understand how space is the original force - in Sanskrit called Brahman, in Chinese Wu Chi, in Peruvian and Japanese Ki - which creates the world through the point. Real insight into this only comes from direct experience of Ki. A new understanding of time entails realization that time is not really defined by the clock, but by intensity and rhythms. In the fields of the four attractors it is time which makes it possible for order to appear from chaos.

 

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« Reply #288 on: March 16, 2009, 08:11:38 PM »

 Huh? I may be drunk and horny but I don't make much sense out this great attractor thing...third dimensions, the line, plane and solid.
Since our Francis is becoming such a sage in his own time perhaps he could refraise this.

Reverberations from way cool Nassim/Radin talk, thanks Jim! Lips Sealed
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« Reply #289 on: March 16, 2009, 08:46:59 PM »

nice quote Francis,  where was that taken from?   

i'm not up on the attractors, but it would seem to me that to be/live in the flow a balance of temporal (time) and spatial (place) is needed in order to successfully surf the fourth dimension.

it's interesting after listening to Rodin and Haramein that the torus is used to represent the third attractor.
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« Reply #290 on: March 17, 2009, 07:11:44 AM »

http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~ldb/seminar/fractals.html

I think that's the link, it seems to be broken today. I don't understand what he's talking about. Sounds a little fruity, but interesting. Remember the holographic paradigm? The idea that the structure of the Universe was holographic? That is, all the ‘parts’ contain enough information to infer all the properties of the ‘whole’ Universe? Called holographic because a hologram can be truncated and still retain the ghost of the discarded information. This idea was intuitively appealing but was perhaps in conflict with the idea of synergy. That is that the whole is not predicted by the properties of the parts.

Anyway, this is a similar idea. Now, instead of just illuminating the structure of the Universe, fractals are perhaps giving us a peek into the process of manifestation. The way fractals are produced, may give us insight into how the material world is constructed. How are they produced: we take a starting point (kernel) and an iterative equation and run the equation over and over and map the results.

One interesting example, the Koch snowflake. Note the water molecule is formed in a triangular configuration:


The Koch snowflake may be showing us just how triangular molecules can be arranged to form a snowflake:




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_snowflake
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« Reply #291 on: March 17, 2009, 10:11:53 AM »

oops, this is the link:

http://www.fractalwisdom.com/FractalWisdom/fourattr.html
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« Reply #292 on: March 17, 2009, 11:53:34 AM »

the catholic church obscures and devalues the goddess aspect and the pagans revolt. That engenders the inquisition, etc.

Pious legend credits Patrick with banishing snakes from the island, though all evidence suggests that post-glacial Ireland never had snakes;[38] one suggestion is that snakes referred to the serpent symbolism of the Druids of that time and place, as shown for instance on coins minted in Gaul ~ Wiki

We see here two examples of how pious religious fanatics were intent on banishing the 'evil' aspects from the pagan traditions, because they didn't want their religion contaminated. No doubt, trying to keep the 'baby' and throw out the 'bathwater'. They forgot one thing: What you resist;you become.


"Abraxas is a conception of God that incorporates both Good and Evil in one entity. So in Gnostic terms he is both God and Demiurge. He represents a mono-theistic God but at the same time he is quite different from the omni-benevolent God found in later Christianity. In his depiction he has a Roosters head, a mans torso and two snakes for legs. Also he is often shown carrying a shield and a whip. The shield represents protective wisdom and the whip driving power. The roosters head symbolizes wakeful vigilance and the announcement of a new dawn. The snakes may be considered symbolic of the Goddess, it is an animal closely associated with Isis and Demeter, two important conceptions of the Goddess in antiquity. Also the snake in India represents the Shakti or female energy which is thought of as a sleeping serpent lying dormant within all of us. In this way Abraxas would truly be a juxtaposition of the fundamental polar opposites of Female and Male and as described earlier the combining of Good and Evil.

~ http://www.iawwai.com/Abraxas.htm
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« Reply #293 on: March 17, 2009, 12:51:02 PM »

i can only marvel at intelligent reports about fractals, attractors and chaos. my goal now is to figure out why i need to know Huh?. my trust is that with an adequate level of heart coherence i will be able to navigate these domains despite my cluelessness Lips Sealed. baseball? beer..henry
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« Reply #294 on: March 19, 2009, 04:07:35 AM »

There are similarities: The kernel is like the ball, the equation is like the bat and the fractal image is like a map of the trajectory. Mandelbrot and Von Koch are like overpaid, juiced-up sluggers using corked bats.
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« Reply #295 on: March 19, 2009, 04:41:38 AM »

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Do you think the following hints at activism energy and if so, how would I change it to make it more visionary rather than reactionary?

Existential Dis-ease And Cultural Sanity
The existential crisis of trying to adapt to a dysfunctional cultural system lies at the root cause of our degenerative disease. Although this illness involves physical processes and behaviors, the demise of the health of the species is primarily a spiritual crisis arising from our negative relationship to earth, soil and the founding premises of civilization itself. Many of the symptoms we experience today stem from our maladaptive methods of adjustment to survival, social and psychological stresses. As such they are “existential” illnesses, which can only be truly addressed with a comprehensive lifestyle change and philosophical, objective view of the culture we find ourselves in. People who have had depression are twice as likely to develop CFS.  Psychiatrist Simon Wessely claims that conditions such as CFS, irritable bowel syndrome and fibromyalgia are all the same illness. Wessely believes that CFS generally has some organic trigger, such as a virus, but that the role of psychological and social factors are more important when considering failure of some patients to recover and treatments centered around these factors can be effective.

The over-riding dis-ease context is the sense of obsolescence of the slave in a culture of mindless consumerism. If statistics were done we would probably find that those with a vocation, passionate hobby, or fully engaged creative talent are less likely to come down with the physical, mental and emotional illnesses of the end-phase of a cultural paradigm. In order to not fall prey to cancer, heart disease, MS, CFS, irritable bowel symptom, depression etc…we must therefore engage the visionary within to positively create our lives from the inside out, according to our highest desires for health, truth and abundance. In becoming one of the builders of the new way, we do not have to experience the necrotic, neurotic die-off symptoms of the old paradigm as it passes over.

There is no survival value in being well adapted to a dysfunctional pyramidal system that is built on brain damage. Rather it makes more sense to simply drop that system and set about creating the new circle culture, that is built on brain growth and whole brain functioning. Another way of putting it is, that it is insane to be uncritically assimilated in a dying regime, because one is asleep to the nefarious life diminishing processes of ones cultural ocean. On the other hand it is sane to be meta-adapted to the existing culture, while being a force of change and transformation to the new. To not waste time in revolution or even depression over the existing paradigm, but to simply find your wave of growth and ride it into the enlightened age. This way, not even time itself can hold one back and both the light and dark of existing conditions can propel one forward. Nirvana is the Flow of the heart in creative flux.

I have a few random comments:

Dysfunction does not reside exclusively in the person or the culture, but is a property of the relationship. To remedy dysfunction we have several choices; be a quiter and drop out, change the individual to be more adapted to the culture, change the culture or change both so they meet in the middle. Vocations and hobbies are ways to temporarily drop out. Likewise with meditation, even perhaps shopping. When they work, they only serve to put a little fun back into the dysfunction.

Having said all this, it strikes me that there are some key thoughtforms that inform the culture and some of them are bad actors that have run amok and need to be bridled, reinterpreted or even quashed. Like perhaps 'greed is good' or 'revenge is sweet' or 'justice is blind' So for a person that wants to change the culture, these types of fallacies can be attacked. But it's likely to feel as though we're trying to strip paint using a screwdriver (i.e. lots of work with little to show for it.)

Look at the new testament for instance, the great western book of wisdom. Even though it supposedly informs our culture, no one seems to hold to the ideas like 'love your enemies', 'give away your possessions', 'judge not' or 'turn the other cheek'
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« Reply #296 on: March 20, 2009, 01:35:18 PM »

Francis,
You wrote: To remedy dysfunction we have several choices; be a quiter (sic) and drop out, change the individual to be more adapted to the culture, change the culture or change both so they meet in the middle.

You forgot the most intelligent choice:  change the individual to be more autonomous of the culture.  An intelligent, autonomous individual is worth 50 of any the cultures in the world. Cultures and their inhabitants who worry about culture enough to want to judge them as a basis of changing them, or even fret around and identify with them and point with alarm and call them dysfunctional, and carry on in a thread like this one; who want to change the world--such as entire cultures that are dedicated to changing the world..i.e. Euro/American middle class Protestant social worker, Integrelites, are vanity ridden, ethnocentric and second rate missionaries. Who wants to be a missionary, much less a second rate one?

Change the culture?  Jesus H. Christ, what vanity! What masochism! 
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« Reply #297 on: March 21, 2009, 08:38:12 AM »

Yea, rather than engage in the impossible task of changing the world we can simply remember Nirvana Now and the world is instantly changed.
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« Reply #298 on: March 22, 2009, 03:51:11 AM »


Change the culture?  Jesus H. Christ, what vanity! What masochism! , say you my friend Steven. 

The irony there is that the highly intelligent, autonomous individuals who couldn´t care less about cultures are often the ones that change them - by their sheer audacity of independent action and reaction to´what is´.

Someone here with more time in their hands than I, might list some of them. For sure, S.N. are the initials of one in my list. 
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« Reply #299 on: March 22, 2009, 12:42:44 PM »

i enjoy secretly following mister S.N.'s adventures in gaia land.  bow.nervously curious about "H." (middle name). big spring wishes for heartmind Lips Sealed..."little h."
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